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Xiaomi bets big on its new electric vehicle – targets 20M premium users

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Once everyone has an electric car and all farts have been smelled, maybe they'll realize they don't need a new car every year or 5.

Do you mean because cars last 12+ years if you take care of them? Or do you mean because we really need great transit since most of what people do with a car can be done on transit (you may still have a truck to tow the boat or whatever but that is a niche)

They already realized that. New cars are owned for an average of 8 years before selling them [1] and that number has been increasing with the rise of new car prices. It’s one of the reasons the US peaked on new car sales in 2017 and might not get there again this decade.

[1] https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study

Planned obsolescence that is how, we didn’t get today this without some conscious evil supervillain planning - from the time how long light bulbs lasted to apple reducing battery performance via software .

What is stopping car companies to do something similar to car batteries for safety or performance reasons?

It is far easier for a manufacturer to control a car and its lifetime with EV and modern ECU stack .

They do not need to allow anyone else to access either . Even the RTR movement is more cautious in asking to be able modify road cars on the road, it is one thing to be able to repair your own tractor , it is another thing when the safety of others on the road .

Automakers can get away with lot of things by citing safety .

> apple reducing battery performance via software

Only because I think it’s a travesty when this dig goes unchallenged:

Batteries get old and have voltage drop at high current; that is called physics. Chips reset below a design voltage; that is also called physics. Slower phones are better UX than rebooting under load. Next time, just say “I hate Apple” rather than repeating debunked stuff.

Those batteries seem to get old and have voltage drop at high current right at the exact time which Apple is about to launch a new device though...

My iPhone SE fell out of my pocket and shattered the screen on the day Apple launched the iPhone 12 Mini. Coincidence, … or not?

You mean… once a year? Because yeah, over 8% of batteries will age out in the month Apple releases a new phone, even with a random distribution.

The window in the normal person’s mind for “they’re doing this on purpose” is probably the month of the event announcement, plus the month the event happens in, and then the month afterwards is when the phones ship and friends start getting them. That’s a solid 25% of the year that would look suspicious to a conspiracy theorist.

I've had a lot of different non-Apple smartphones over the last 15 years or so, and don't recall any of them ever rebooting under load, whether that be for as a result of "physics" or any other cause. Maybe I'm just remarkably lucky?

I've experienced it a couple times on Androids. IME it goes very quickly from that stage to unusable when the battery is that far gone. Plus on one phone I noticed the cover bulging at that point too.

All of my phones (except the iPhone, actually) had hard reboot issues at around the 2-3yr mark. Usually at under 30% battery charge under high load. HTC Incredible, Galaxy S4, and Nexus 6. Nexus 6 was the worst, but I also had that one the longest.

My iPhone X didn't have shutoff issues, but the battery did swell enough to push out the screen, which Apple replaced for free even with an expired warranty.

Apple settled this ? https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/14/23831939/apple-iphone-bat...

Where is I hate apple coming from ? I was merely referencing this well known case

Had they serviceable batteries we'd have to do neither. Apple isn't exactly known for their repairability

I used the change lightbulbs all the time, now they last forever. I can't even recall the last time a lightbulb went out on me, it must've been years.

Is he saying they have 20M premium phone subscribers and they want these same amount of users to pay premium rates for their car? Or the 20M number indicates that there's a large group of users willing to pay premium? They seem to be meshing two numbers together.

CNBC is a terrible source of information.

https://archives.cjr.org/feature/waiting_for_cnbc_1.php

I read it as 20M premium phone customers who it thinks will be amongst its first customers for this premium car price TBD. To me its a big logical leap to think someone who paid $750 for a phone will suddenly be willing to spend $75k on your car.

After using a Xiaomi phone, I wouldn't touch a Xioami car with a ten foot pole.

why

Not op, but I share the sentiment. In my experience, completely subjective of course, Xiaomi software on phones (I used 4 phones) is not polished, has a lot of bloatware/ads, and is not very stable. It's not all bad, since they have some good ux/ui ideas but it doesn't feel reliable to me.

Yeah, most Xiaomi users flash their phones with custom or AOSP ROM for a reason

Xiaomi SW isn't as bad as other Chinese manufacturers, but still...

Totally disagree. My phone is a Xiaomi Mi6- released 7 years ago. Works perfectly for everything, I'm writing this comment on it now. Costed me about €300 (I think) in 2018. Excellent product.

(Worst fault: the back side is made of a material that is slick in the actual sense of the word: it seems to have next to zero static friction, with result that if left on a table it will move at sub-noticeable speed towards the nearest edge. It might take it one hour but it'll get there, and then fall, all by itself. Unusable without a plastic cover).

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