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Feeling the heat from Framework!

Now checking to see if it can ship w/ Linux by default.

edit: The answer appears to be "no." Also, searching Lenovo.com for "T14 gen 5" yields: "2676 Result For ‘t14 gen 5.'" Lenovo should really work on their search functionality.

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>Feeling the heat from Framework!

It was bound to have an effect in the industry, as tech-savvy people select and recommend them simply because they're the least broken option.

Others are too disposable; made to break rather than last.

I never seen a Framework live, I see Thinkpads every single day.

I've seen plenty of Framework laptops at hacker conferences.

Hacker conferences hardly decide IT planning business decisions, and very few attend them.

In any case, I would bet they are outnumbered by fruity laptops.

> Hacker conferences hardly decide IT planning business decisions ...

Probably a case of "the thin edge of the wedge".

So in a few years time if/when Framework is more established, they might be an option for IT departments.

If they provide warranty and support like Dell/HP/Lenovo then sure.

IT planning business? I'm pretty sure that virtually all laptops at hacker conferences are privately owned and not provided by an employer. Hackers want a good laptop for personal use or freelancing. That's why most hackers choose among Frameworks, Thinkpads and MacBooks.

Employees at big corps get what IT decides they are allowed to use, hence why Framework hardly matters outside hacker conferences.

And, of course, no hacker has ever worked IT.

Companies buy in bulk from Dell, HP and Lenovo. The ThinkPads are especially great. I've used mine from work for 3 years now. Coming up on renewal, and it looks good as new, just the old 8th gen i5 bringing it down.

"Hacker conferences" dosent matter in the real world, sorry

"Others are too disposable, made to break" -> that's true for electronic appliances and everything else (shoes, clothes, cars, smartphones...). That's how greedy business makes itself more profitable nowadays.

For laptops, try T430: it can last for decades.

Hardware might, but software is slowly going away https://hackaday.com/2024/02/25/what-is-x86-64-v3/

Interesting link. Thank you

I don't really care if it is being sold with Linux as an option. They should just have a policy to make sure that all the relevant patches are upstream before they release the product.

Then they can still decide later if they themselves want to cell it with Linux late on.

A few years back they had several Thinkpad models available with either Ubuntu or Fedora. Firmware updates were distributed via LVFS. They were even key in getting synaptics to add Linux support for the fingerprint sensor in the models.

I think currently they are down to just the Carbon X1 being orderable with Linux which likely speaks to the actual demand for Linux vs their cost to support it.

I think I probably have similar attitude to the GP post. I have been using Linux on laptops for over 25 years, and have zero interest in ordering one with Linux preinstalled. I will research that the new model has integrated devices with upstream, integrated support. I almost treat a vendor-supplied Linux as a bad smell.

I don't want to risk "Linux support" that comes from the vendor tasking some interns to hack drivers into one specific distribution and/or kernel version.

I want a machine where I know I can wipe or replace the SSD and boot my preferred standard Linux install media to get a fully functional system. I want zero vendor-supplied drivers or other add-ons.

Luckily, Thinkpads have been popular enough that I can always read about someone else's experimental validation of new models before I bother to order one myself.

>Feeling the heat from Framework!

Is it? Isn't it like 1/1000th their sales, one being a global brand and everything, the other a niche product?

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