They didn't call it an end to the world; they claimed that attempts to subvert democracy are fascistic.
Where's the hyperbole?
Where's the hyperbole?
> Where's the hyperbole?
Fascism was highly ideological – Mussolini wrote a whole book explaining his ideology – The Doctrine of Fascism - partially ghostwritten by the Italian philosopher Giovanni Gentile. It contained specific doctrines, such as the primacy of the State.
While Nazism is often equated with fascism, it had a different ideological flavour, with a much heavier emphasis on race. Still, while the ideology was different, the strong emphasis on ideology remained – you can read all about it in Mein Kampf (I tried to read it once, it was so boring I fell asleep), in Hitler's speeches, in the works of his various acolytes.
Trump's ideology isn't fascism. Trump doesn't have an ideology. All he really believes in is his own personal power. Ideas aren't really that important to him. So, I'm not saying that various things he did weren't bad, but they weren't fascist. Calling them fascist is definitely inaccurate, and maybe even hyperbolic.
On the contrary, Hitler's ideology of racist nationalism and antisemitism wasn't just some "pretext for authoritarianism"–he had convinced himself it was the truth.
> I'd recommend reading up on this, just making things up as you go along isn't a great way to approach this particular topic
I don't think this response is really in the spirit of the HN guidelines, [0] especially the part which says "Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes."
> Eco's Ur-Fascism
That's just one scholar's opinions among many. There is a lack of scholarly consensus on how to define "fascism"–as the noted historian of Nazi Germany Ian Kershaw once wrote, "trying to define 'fascism' is like trying to nail jelly to the wall".
Do you realise how condescending you sound? You aren’t trying to have a conversation, you are just lecturing. No thank you
Aren't those the very opposite - attempts to uphold democracy? (even if misguided and there was no fraud)?
In general, anybody that believes that somebody like Trump would have subverted democracy and established some authoritarian rule, is beyond hyperbole.
It would probably look something more like calling a Secretary of State to get them to change the election results.
Or to ask the Vice President to count the electoral votes incorrectly. You know. Things that we know actually happened.
1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_ph...
2 - https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/what-trump-asked-of-pence/
Putting together a slate of false electors, asking the VP to certify them, or calling states and asking them to find more votes however is not that.