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I notice they are avoiding images of people in the announcement.

I wonder if they are afraid of the same debacle as google AI and what they mean by "safety" is actually heavy bias against white people and their culture like what happened with Gemini.

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They should just generate a nude black Taylor Swift on a longboat so that everyone can be equally offended.

I wouldn't look for hidden reasons. Recent image generators are already too good with face generation (thanks to CelebA-like datasets and early researchers). And now the emphasis is on the multimodality of the model within a domain. There, almost every picture demonstrates some aspect of it. Somewhere there is text on the picture (old AI used to output bullshit instead of letters), somewhere there are humorous references to old images (for example, a cosmonaut on a pig).

What's white people culture?

From the examples I see on Twitter, they are usually referring to the different cultures of Irish, European, and American white people. Gemini, in an effort to reverse the bias that the models would naturally have, ends up replacing these people with those from other cultures.

Calling Irish people white is a rather historically radical statement.

White is a pretty complex and non-obvious category.

Since the definition of "white" is inherently cultural, it varies from place to place and from time to time. Today, in US and Europe, pretty much everyone who cares about racial categorization would consider Irish "white". Historically, it was different, but that is only relevant when discussing history.

Not true, that was made up by race baiting academics who were lying liars. It's absurd that anyone fell for it, frankly.

The lie originates with a Communist race hustler named Noel Ignatiev, also known for publishing Race Traitor magazine. A thoroughly unpleasant person.

> who were lying liars.

As opposed to truthful liars?

is pale better?

Let me guess, you’re one of these people that think the Irish had it harder than African Americans in early US history.

Isn't it even more racist to replace them in a picture? Being told that your skin colour is too offensive to show sounds a lot worse to me than calling them "white" considering their skin is very white

US American white people. Anything else would be a ridiculous overgeneralization, like "Asian culture", even if you set some arbitary benchmark for teint and only look at those European countries it's still too much diversity to pool together.

A little continent called europe?

As if you can generalize the culture of different European countries, or even different regions in the same country just by skin color. Now this, in my opinion, is a form of cultural erasure where all the intricacies and interesting aspects of culture are put aside and overshadowed by skin color.

Enter, The Horseshoe

I believe it's just the usual issue of mistakes in generations being easier to spot in humans, by humans. Usually not a good sign for model quality.

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