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Are you attempting to assert that use of these files solely for the purpose of improving a software system meant to classify file types does not fall under fair use?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

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I'm asking a question.

Here's another one for you: Do you believe that all pictures you have ever taken, all emails you have ever written, all code you have ever written could be posted here on this forum to improve someone else's software system?

If so, could you go ahead and post that zip? I'd like to ingest it in my model.

Your question seems orthogonal to the situation. The three files posted seem to be the minimum amount of information required to reproduce the bug. Fair use encompasses a LOT of uses of otherwise copyrighted work, and this seems clearly to be one.

I don't see how publicly posting them on a forum is

> the minimum amount of information required to reproduce the bug

MAYBE if they had communicated privately that'd be an argument that made sense.

So you don't think that software development which happens in public web forums deserve fair use protection?

That's an interesting way to frame "publicly posted someone else's data without their consent for anyone to see and download"

I notice you're so invested that you haven't noticed that the files have been renamed and zipped such that they're not even indexable. How you'd expect anyone not participating in software development to find them is yet to be explained.

It's three files that were scraped from (and so publicly available on) the web. That's not at all similar to your strawful analogy.

I'm over here trying to fathom the lack of control over one's own life it would take to cause someone to turn into an online copyright cop, when the data in question isn't even their own, is clearly divorced from any context which would make it useful for anything other than fixing the bug, and about which the original copyright holder hasn't complained.

Some people just want to argue.

If the copyright holder has a problem with the use, they are perfectly entitled to spend some of their dollar bills to file a law suit, as part of which the contents of the files can be entered into the public record for all to legally access, as was done with Scientology.

I don't expect anyone would be so daft.

Literally just asked a question and that seems to have set you off, bud. Are you alright? Do you need to feed your LLM more data to keep it happy?

I'm always happy to stand up for folks who make things over people who want to police them. Especially when nothing wrong has happened. Maybe take a walk and get some fresh air?

I share your distaste for people whose only contribution is subtraction but suggest you lay off the sarcasm though. Trolls; don't feed. (Well done on your project BTW)

I don't see any sarcasm from me in the thread. I had serious questions. Perhaps you could point out what you see? Thanks for the supportive words about the project.

Perhaps I misread "Maybe take a walk and get some fresh air?" - no worries though.

I've certainly seen people say similar things facetiously, but I was being genuine. I'm not sure if beeboobaa was trolling or not, I try to take what folks say at face value. They seemed to be pretty attached to a particular point of view, though. Happens to all of us. The thing for attachment is time and space and new experiences. Walks are great for those things, and also the best for organizing thoughts. Einstein loved taking walks for these reasons, and me too. It feels better to suggest something helpful when discussion derails, than to hurl insults as happens all too frequently.

Literally all you did is bitch and moan about someone asking a simple question, lol. Go touch grass.

I already had my walk this morning, thanks! If you'd like to learn more about copyright law, including about all the ways it's fuzzy around the edges for legitimate uses like this one, I highly recommend groklaw.net. PJ did wonderful work writing about such boring topics in personable and readable ways. I hope you have a great day!

no thanks, not interested in your american nonsense laws. lecturing people who are asking SOMEONE ELSE a question is a terrible personality trait btw

If you can’t undermine someone’s argument, undermine their nationality. American tech culture doesn’t do this as much as it should, perhaps because we know eventually those folks wake up.

Not sure what your point is, but why would i care to learn about the laws of some other dude's country that he's using to support his bizarro arguments?

> why would i care to learn about the laws of some other dude's country

The website you're attempting to police other people's behavior on is hosted in the country you're complaining about. Lol.

Maybe there is a website local to your country where your ideas would be better received?

181 out of 195 countries and counting!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention

Look at that map!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Berne_Co...

P.S. Berne doesn't sound like a very American name.

You would really learn a lot from reading Groklaw. Of course, I can't make you. Good luck in the world though!

man, you really are putting a lot of effort into justifying stealing other people's content

Thanks for such great opportunities to post educational content to Hacker News! I genuinely hope some things go your way, man. Rooting for you. Go get 'em.

You're so brave

Thanks!

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