Though the percentage of active duty military members has fluctuated since 2001, it has declined by 39% since 1987, its most recent high.
Though the percentage of active duty military members has fluctuated since 2001, it has declined by 39% since 1987, its most recent high.
"Under end strength levels outlined in the annual defense authorization bill passed by the Senate Wednesday evening and expected to be passed by the House on Thursday, the total number of active-duty troops in the armed forces will drop to 1,284,500 in fiscal 2024. That’s down nearly 64,000 personnel in the last three years and the smallest total for America’s military since 1940, before the United States’ entry into World War II."
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2023/12...
Lawmakers say the reason for the lower target isn’t a decrease in missions or threats in recent years. Instead, the number reflects recruiting challenges across the services and an expectation of what level of personnel is realistic in coming months.
They aren't lowering troop numbers because they want to, they're moving the goalposts to meet the reality of diminished recruiting.
Also, privatization is for non-combat roles, logistics and what not. It allows us to keep more US military personnel in combat roles instead of support roles.
When all of these hack aren't enough to fill ranks in a major conflict, the next step is a draft. Iraq I, II and Afghanistan were not major conflicts in terms of total deployment.
https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/factsheets/fs_americas_w...
Also, no politician will utter the word "draft," or they will lose all support. If a major conflict arises with Russia, it will get instituted, make no mistake about it. Everyone pushing for war with Russia needs to consider the consequences.
https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-demography-of-war-ukraine-vs-...
If you have a bit more respect for the lives of your citizens, its not so much of a disadvantage.
The US conquered and held Afghanistan for 20 years and we could have done it for another 20+ years, we just lost the political will to do so. I'm in total agreement with getting out of Afghanistan, as ugly as it was.
It certainly did. It took the Taliban out of power and installed our own government. Also, all conquered countries have insurgencies. France, Poland, Belgium, Holland all had insurgencies and they were certainly conquered by Germany in WW2. Insurgencies by conquered people have been happening since before Alexander.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conquer
>Losing political will is quite literally “losing,”
Maybe. Did Britain lose to India because they lost the political will to occupy them? Canada? Australia? Maybe. Did the US lose to the Philippines because we no longer colonized them? Doesn't seem like it. I'd be hard pressed to find any rational historian to say the US lost to the Philippines.
>It was fighting a nonstop insurgency that obviously we couldn’t sustain for another 20+ years as evidenced by the fact we didn’t sustain it for another 20+ years.
Afghanistan didn't force us out. We could have kept doing what we did for another 20 years. It would have been as stupid as the last 20 years, but we certainly had the financial and military means.
Anyhow this is a tangent. If we go to war with Russia, there will be a draft and millions will likely die. This has been a known for the last 80 years. I'm amazed people don't think this would be true. Those who forget history are destined to repeat it I guess. Better start getting in shape.
They’re disagreeing with your suggestion that the way to avoid war with Russia is by not supporting Ukraine now or that Ukraine is necessarily doomed because of a 3:1 difference in manpower.
If you want to talk about repeating history, maybe look up how well appeasement worked with the Nazis, another lying autocratic regime wallowing in delusions about its own greatness.
Show me where I said that.
I suppose it’s ambiguous who you’re referring to “doing more”? But you unambiguously said a 3:1 advantage -> Ukraine will run out of troops.
Ah I see, yes I meant "do more" as in escalating by putting boots on the ground or getting US or NATO troops officially in the war before Russia invades a NATO country, or giving Ukraine weaponry where it can invade Russia. Right now we're in a proxy war with Russia like Vietnam or Afghanistan (1979-1989). The national interest for us is to make Russia look bad and drain Russia to the point where they can't invade a NATO country at the expense of Ukraine, unfortunately. The war has devolved into trench warfare and a war of attrition, which will ultimately lead to Ukraine running out of troops if nothing significant changes.
During peace talks Ukraine has stated they want all the captured territory including Crimea back, which Russia will never agree to because they have the upper hand. Russia just has to sit there and defend like Germany did in the Western front in WWI. Furthermore, Russia can fight a war of attrition much longer than Ukraine can. That's where the 3:1 ratio is important.
I don't see a path to Russia "giving up," and relinquishing all captured territory outside of Putin getting removed and a magical NATO friendly leader taking his place, which is highly unlikely. Had Prigozhin toppled Putin, he would have likely been even more aggressive. A coup in Russia would likely make things worse, too. Nobody wants the country with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world to become unstable, except maybe Iran.
What else can happen? Ukraine invades Russia? We haven't been giving Ukraine long rage weapons because we don't want this to happen. If Ukraine invades Russia in earnest and makes a lot of progress, Russia will likely lob some nukes, which is very bad.
Ukraine can take over the territory Russia has taken, but they haven't been able to do it and have been repelled from Bakhmut and recently from Avdiivka. It's not looking good. How many more counter-offensives can Ukraine sustain? I don't know, but it's fewer than Russia can repel. Something needs to happen that isn't happening now, but I have no idea what that is.
I just don't see a path that doesn't involve lots of Ukrainians dying and ultimately give up most of the land Russia currently occupies, except a peace treaty, which Ukraine currently isn't being realistic about. Furthermore a peace treaty is no guarantee Russia will not invade a NATO country.
We're walking a tightrope. We want Ukraine to repel Russia, but not threaten Russia's existence. When a non-nuclear power fights a nuclear power, the one with nukes has the upper hand.
So that's the path we're currently on. Ukraine can only commit to so many counter offensives and rebuff Russian offensives before they are drained. Russia hasn't even fully committed to the war yet. What do we do once Ukraine has ultimately "bled out?" Ukraine is a powder keg waiting to explode. It's pretty scary.
The war in Ukraine only drags on for so long because of the refusal of the west (partly tachnical issues, partly political hesitation) to equip Ukraine with modern weapons in sufficient quantities.
They aren't depleted. They've suffered 300K casualties, they have 24,700,000 left of fighting age. Also keep in mind Russia has no qualms about putting women in front line combat roles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain...
Also, Iran seems like they want to get involved. They've been selling Russia arms during the conflict. They have about 17 million people of fighting age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_global_manpower_fit_fo...
>do it in a weekend
They said that about the US Civil War
https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/civil-war-in-america/april-1861...
And WWI
https://www.theworldwar.org/exhibitions/over-christmas
By WWII, we realized it wouldn't be a short war. We seem to have forgotten. Also Russia has a lot of nukes, you know what MAD stands for right?
Best case we're probably looking at a Phyrric victory.
Without equipment, logistics and ammo to support it it's a dead weight. Also, it's very interesting that you omitted Gulf War, which would be the most similar conflict in terms of power dynamics. 4th by strength military in the world in war against large coalition of countries that is led by USA.
Russia is an industrial country. They managed to build more tanks than anybody in WWII and this was while being invaded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_industry_in_World_War_I...
>Also, it's very interesting that you omitted Gulf War, which would be the most similar conflict in terms of power dynamics.
Most of the Iraqi soldiers surrendered as soon as they saw coalition forces. Only the Republican Guard remained to fight and they were only around 75K. I doubt the Russians will surrender en masse like the Iraqi regular army did.
Are you suspecting that the law would be changed to enable draft? Or maybe I'm confusing draft and conscription, are those different?
You are correct. Conscription and the draft are essentially the same. I believe conscription is when you enter military service regardless of wartime, while the draft is explicitly to fill ranks. I could be wrong on that though.
>Are you suspecting that the law would be changed to enable draft?
Yes, if we get into a large scale war without the ability to recruit enough volunteers, most certainly. Currently our recruiting numbers are way down. The US has had a draft/conscription throughout most of its history. Current times since 1973 are an anomaly.
Also, the law is already in place. Every male citizen, when they turn 18 must register with the Selective Service, which is responsible for the draft.
However, conscription remains in place on a contingency basis; all male U.S. citizens, regardless of where they live, and male immigrants, whether documented or undocumented, residing within the United States, who are 18 through 25 are required to register with the Selective Service System.[2][3] United States federal law also continues to provide for the compulsory conscription of men between the ages of 17 and 44 who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, U.S. citizens, and additionally certain women, for militia service pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution and 10 U.S. Code § 246.[4][5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_Sta...
In fact, reinstitution the draft is required by law:
A national emergency, exceeding the Department of Defense’s capability to recruit and retain its total force strength, requires Congress to amend the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the President to induct personnel into the Armed Forces.
https://www.sss.gov/about/return-to-draft
The term for a person who pushes for war without any intention of serving themselves is called a Chickenhawk. I'm just reminding all the people who are pushing for escalation with Russia that if war happens, they will likely be drafted and aren't just sending the mostly poor kids to fight their war. To those people I say, be careful what you wish for.