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OAI requires a real mobile phone number to signup and are therefore an adtech company.

Might be one of the most absurd things said on here. Requiring a phone number for sign up does not automatically mean you are selling ads.

When the time for making money comes, if you don’t think OpenAI will sell every drop of information they have on you, then you are incredibly naive. Why would they leave money on the table when everyone else has been doing it for forever without any adverse effects?

If Google Workspace was selling my or any customers information, at all or "forever", it would not be called Google Workspace, it would be called Google We-died-in-the-most-expensive-lawsuit-of-all-time.

There's a difference. Open AI essentially has 2 products. The chat bot $20 a month thing for Joe shmoe which they admit to training on your prompts, and the API for businesses. Workspace is like the latter. The former is closer to Google search.

Sure, but there is no ambiguity about that, is there? You know that, because they tell you (and, sure, maybe they only tell you, because they have to, by law – but they do and you know)

How do we get from there to "just assume every company in the world will sell your data in wildly and obviously illegal ways", I don't know.

Well..that does seem to be the default. If they don't explicitly say they won't, they probably will. It's a sad world.

They are currently hiring people with Adtech experience.

The most simple version would be an ad-supported ChatGPT experience. Anyone thinking that an internet consumer company with 100m weekly active users (I‘m citing from their job ad) is not going to sell ads is lacking imagination.

We're face to face with AGI and you're worried about ads?? Get your risks in order!!

We're still nowhere near AGI.

The day the AI stops listening to prompts instead of following them is the day I will worry about AGI.

You'd be too late. You're just waiting for someone to imbue a model with agency. We have agency due to evolution. Robots need it programmed into them, and honestly, that is easy to do compared with instilling reasoning. Primitive animals have agency. No animal can reason on the level of GPT. That will get us to HAL2000. If you stick it in a robot, you have the Terminator.

AI doesn’t exist. Neither in practice nor theoretically. Artificial intelligence is an oxymoron. Intelligence is a complex system. Artificial systems are logic systems. You live in a complex universe that you cannot perceive, i.e. we perceive it as noise/randomness only. All you can see are the logical systems expressed at the surface (Mendelbrot Set) of the noise. Everything you see and know is strictly logical, all knowns laws of the universe are derived from those logical systems. Hence, we can only build logical systems. Not complex systems. There is a limit to what we can build here on the surface (Church-Turing). We never have and never will build a complex system.

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