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In less than a few hours Gemini 1.5 is old news. Sam is doing live demos on Twitter while Google just released a blog.

Didn't think Google would be the first of the Facebook, Apple, Google and Microsoft to get disrupted.

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I disagree, Gemini 1.5 is still impressive (if true) with the 10 million context size!

It'll be impressive when I can use it.

you can't use sora either

At least you can see the demos. Google released a blog post and was like, keep waiting

There’s also videos showcasing Gemini Pro 1.5, but historically speaking, Google hasn’t been fully truthful with their demos.

Can’t you access Gemini Pro 1.5 through Vertex Ai?

Whitelist only (talk to your GCP account rep)

Welp, I can't upvote. But this ^^^

This is my only gripe with these announcements. When will us plebs paying $20/month for chatgpt get to use it?

Yet rate blocked every few hours with it too.

The context size is 1 million... They said "they tested up to 10".

Did they have this ready to go to upstage whatever Google would release? Or just coincidental both things announced today?

It's just as likely that Google knew OpenAI has their announcement planned for today and wanted to preempt it. Happens all the time.

I'm pretty sure everyone saw Google as a directionless pile of money, there's a reason killedbygoogle exists.

There's not really too much to talk about Gemini 1.5 as it's an iteration and there's not much to test around the new context length.

The Sora demos are more interesting.

The fact that SamA just seems to go off the cuff on twitter pretty frequently is such a breath of fresh air.

Hes a real CEO, Sundar is just a political appointment

As someone who just skims Hacker News and little else and no skin in the game, I always get the impression that Pichai is the weakest of the big tech CEOs, compared to Satya, Cook, etc.

Is my impression correct? Or it’s just that the anti-Google sentiment is strong in HN?

No hes bad. Very good politician at Google, did some interesting moves with Chrome a long time back. Not a visionary, and they are afraid of ai overtaking google

Sundar is a profitability machine. Google is also an order of magnitude larger than OpenAI. I don’t want all my orders drunk tweeting their thoughts to me. Apple doesn’t say shit but look at what they have achieved.

Apple hits home runs though. Google, correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't had a strong hit for a while!

It depends. Microsoft is the most valuable company in the world and they don’t have any recent “hits”. They just keep doing their core business well just like Google does. That being said, all the research for all of this AI renaissance has come directly out of Google.

> That being said, all the research for all of this AI renaissance has come directly out of Google.

Wasnt SQL some IBM research paper yet it was Oracle who got famous and rich for creating a database?

I don't understand how Apple is hitting home runs. What have they really innovated on post Steve Jobs? Their products are pretty much equivalent to the competition with 5% more polish at the cost of 5% more time to release. Marketing wise, they are close to gods, but innovation wise, even Microsoft is better.

I definitely agree on the fact that Tim is a much better CEO than Sundar. However I consider Satya to be much better than Tim.

Gargantuan achievements in two different spaces. 10 million tokens means insane things. Things like feeding the entire codebase of a massive site and saying make a copy of this with these changes.

This is a really silly take isn't it?

I mean, why would this make google look bad?

Gemini is catching up, so OpenAI needs a new venue to market itself to the investors. It is doing a soft pivoting if you ask me, now GPT4 is like not that special anymore.

That’s the point I guess. They are just catching up, not really making leaps.

Fair

On the other hand, Video to google is much less relevant than text. But if OpenAI figuring out something from it to AGI, that would be a different story.

Youtube? Someone's going to make a tiktok like quick-feedback thing of purely generated stuff that learns what you like and tailors the generations to you, and, despite Google owning Youtube, OpenAI looks far closer to it than them.

Youtube is a video hosting platform, its advantage is in video delivery and ads. Why would a video generation software disrupts business?

Creating realistic video isn't hard even today, you can just do it on your phone and creating hours, hours of cat/dog videos. The hard part is to find a story to make it interesting. It could be possible in the future, like automatic film making, from script to realization, but that doesn't make YouTube's business go away either.

> Why would a video generation software disrupts business?

If those videos aren't hosted on YouTube.

How? Not hosting on the planets largest video platform because it is generated by OpenAI?

I would much rather pay to generate my own realistic videos based on my prompts than watch other people’s random creations (possibly filled with ads). When generation becomes great the motivation and need to store, retrieve and serve becomes less relevant.

Why would you give free money to YouTube if you control the content

YouTube is just another moat for Google to catch up to Sora.

But this time, Google is finally showing their war face instead of not trying hard to compete against Microsoft and OpenAI.

I would call 10 million tokens mopping the floor (if true).

it's not old news and it's actually way more impressive

it's just that people want to root for OpenAI more because hype

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