Google enables OS upgrades for older PCs post-Windows 10 support cutoff
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> Google said that ChromeOS would allow users to stream legacy Windows and productivity applications, which will help deliver them to devices by running the apps on a data center.
So if I understand this correctly, Google won’t enable “OS upgrades”, they’re offering a version of ChromeOS where some Windows apps can be streamed, Stadia-style. (Guess how long before it’s canned?)
I think the view that cloud providers are screwing over their customers behind their backs is just not grounded in reality, experience, evidence, or how business contracts work.
I'm thinking how long is it before the latest/greatest subscription service is born from it?
Edit: Forgot a space.
It's very appealing in some industries (like manufacturing), which has already been doing very well with ChromeOS.
In Germany, 90% of manufacturing industry is knees deep windows.
The most popular HMI is an Allen Bradley Panelview which runs Windows CE 6.0.
The most popular PLC is an AB CompactLogix/ControlLogix, which can only be edited using an IDE that runs on Windows.
Ignition is making significant inroads with Linux servers on the SCADA side, and I have heard of people building machines with Beckhoff TwinCAT BSD, but Windows is everywhere.
But, that doesn't mean ChromeOS hasn't been making inroads in manufacturing. Sales of ChromeOS Kiosks for Digital Signage are strong, and so is the adoption of cheap Chromeboxes & ChromeOS laptops for things like digital work instructions, check-in/out, and all sorts of manufacturing-adjacent processes/controls that don't require a full Windows PC. 10-15 years ago there was a trend to move a lot of this to traditional VDI, and that's the market that Google has been targeting.
This is just a small fraction of the overall manufacturing IT market, but for Google -- starting from $0 -- it's meaningful.
PCs get refreshed because like anything else, they start failing when they get old and this is worse when they're also out of support. Dealing with a never ending stream of hardware failures, while trying to source parts from eBay is not made better by the fact that they run shiny Chrome. You also might not want to share the data you put in those apps with Google too.
So fine-ish if you have an old computer at home, probably not so much if you have thousands of client devices to support, and data confidentiality to maintain. And then you're at the mercy of Google and their not so stellar reputation to not can the whole thing just after you're done putting in the effort.
Considering performance increases are minimal when compared to last decade, keeping a 5 year old fleet alive for another 3 to 5 years is a big win for any company.
I'm thinking for example high end business line Lenovo, Dell, HP laptops where after 4-5 years they are out of any support and the failure rate is high enough that the best approach is to replace the whole thing with the newer model. Rolling out hardware takes time so you'll have 1-2 years of delay between when the new model hits the market and when it's in the hands of all users so eventually you just have a 4 year lifecycle with 25% of the hardware getting replaced every tear because the failure rate by then is anyway in the double digits (10+% of laptops in a company will fail one way or another in a year). You want to replace while it's still predictable and manageable, not when they cascade fail, because that also helps you stay modern, and not maintain a huge "just in case" stock.
You can't tell a user "wait while I quickly change your laptop's keyboard with this used one" because the manufacturer doesn't support the model anymore. It's not that much different with desktops although they split the failure rates across multiple different devices (separate screen, keyboard, the works). When you have (tens of) thousands of these you can't run around replacing memory modules, SSDs, screens, power plugs without it getting really expensive really fast. Not just the fix but the loss of productivity too. It's an experience I confirmed in every large company regardless what model or manufacturer they were using.
This leaves smaller shops, the kind that might buy no-name units, or even self assemble them, to look into "we can save by putting Chrome on these and maybe the later maintenance on that PC won't actually prove more expensive long term. Magically one PC will live for decades, I can confirm with mine :). But in bulk devices will fail at alarming rate after 4-5 years.
Yeah, a base model macbook air m2 is only $1100. You can't expect more than 8G of ram in that price range.
Maybe the article link should be changed to this?
I suspect most of the affected PCs reside in consumers' hands and small government offices, not in large corporations.
Why would anybody throw away their Windows 10 computer instead of upgrading it to Windows 11 using a simple registry bypass (https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-re...)? That's stupidity!
I'm on a 2012 macbook RN 16GB / 4TB SSD with open core legacy patcher.
I came across FydeOS (https://fydeos.io/) but it doesn't look like a community effort, rather a commercial product based out of Beijing.
Most linux distros provide mostly unattended updates anyway and immutable ones like Fedora Silverblue can silently install them as well without the user knowing about it.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3695068/for-windows-10...
You can pay for security updates, but it's unlikely individuals will:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/windows-10-gets-thre...
Most individuals will upgrade to Win11 or not know/care and stay Win10. They probably aren't going to switch OS just to use MS products over the network.
Why, oh why would they do a version bump and then REMOVE features.
Everything gets enshittified.
Why remove such a good feature? To look more like Apple does? Fail fail fail Microsoft. Now Goliath imitates David.
Windows' UX was always way better than any other OS'. Why copy a worse product and get rid of decades of progress smh
Imitating Apple, not understanding why Apple does some of these things (not that they're always right eh, far from it), thus fumbling really badly.
My Apple Fan Card is long expired, I'm not even paying my dues (just a phone in the last 3 years) but Jobs was absolutely right already back in 1995: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiOzGI4MqSU
Don't get ossified in your current way of doing things.
Of course, you have the option of remaining on Windows 10 since possibly for you that menu is much more important than the rest. I assume Linux/Mac are not options because the UI changes they bring are massive compared to Windows 10 -> Windows 11 and you mentioned that you don't want to adapt to UI changes.
But if Linux/Mac are options, it means that the real problem is not that the UI changed, but that you were not asked and didn't gave your consent to the change. So basically that you feel offended by Microsoft changing the UI without your approval.
It's not that I can not adopt to UI changes, for example, when I context switch to OSX. The problem is that the UI changed so some UI designers could generate career bullet points. And in doing so are forcing billions of people to have to adopt to something that didn't need fixing in the first place.
But it's not all positive, I'm annoyed by the removal of the month calendar when you click on the date.
> The problem is that the UI changed so some UI designers could generate career bullet points.
Even if true, it doesn't change the fact that Windows 10 will soon not be supported anymore.
As they say, the only constant is change.
I don't really have a problem with Windows, and use it at work every day, but at home, I dumped it a decade ago in favour of Fedora/KDE, and never looked back. In fact I discovered a few weeks back that I could still boot my old Windows install, and updated it to 11, and hence my leading comment.
I am truly baffled.
And then HN picked it up and upvoted it to front :SMH:
Nearly 600 devices certified https://support.google.com/chromeosflex/answer/11513094
That said, training, reimaging and refurbishing devices to be redeployed is no small amount of work. Also, it is likely organization would use the device as a thin client to Windows 365, or Azure Virtual Desktop assuming they don't already have a VDI, so I am not sure what is in this for Google, unless they think organization are going to migrate to Google docs as well.
Oh Google, they are good at keeping me guessing.
If you can test out moving to ChromeOS on hardware you already have, it'll make it clear if you can switch to a Chromebook when hardware refresh time comes. That could likely gain them some market share as then the risk of moving to Chromebooks would be very small.
Or is it different for enterprise licensing
> In modern x86 CPUs, POPCNT is implemented as part of the SSE4 instruction set. For Intel's chips, it was added as part of SSE4.2 in the original first-generation Core architecture, codenamed Nehalem. In AMD's processors, it's included in SSE4a, first used in Phenom, Athlon, and Sempron CPUs based on the K10 architecture. These architectures date back to 2008 and 2007, respectively.
So, my guess is MS had discussions with AMD/intel on how much of their products they were willing to support for the lifespan of the OS, and likewise AMD/intel talked to motherboard manufacturers for a similar assurance as part of whatever partnership/licensing is agreed there. It's probably not helped by how on the consumer side ongoing support is a burden, they make money by selling new products.
I personally used Flatpak and Bottles to run Photoshop CS2 on my rather underpowered Chromebook. Seemed to work well. Should give Steam a try too. Others seem to have good luck with it.
If only there were another, open source, non-Google operating system that could be installed on these computers.
If only Microsoft had web-app versions of their Office "productivity applications" that worked perfectly well on that other operating system.
Perhaps 2024 will be the year of the ChromeOS Desktop, after all.