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OK. I'm the customer here, and I'm looking at it with my own POV. I think it's neat that I have extra pixels to hold the menu bar so that the rest of the screen can be dedicated to the apps I'm running.

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Good, so are you going to pay Apple twice? Once for creating the problem, and again when they develop the under-screen tech to fix it?

Um, yeah? I bought my current laptop with the extra pixels at a time I needed a new laptop. If Apple comes up with a way to add more extra pixels by the next time I'm looking to buy one, I'll get that.

The notch is an improvement over the old thick bezel design. Presumably they'll find an even better solution down the road. When they do, I'm not going to complain that they didn't jump forward to the currently nonexistent technology on the first iteration.

It's called incremental innovation "this changes everything, again" (yawn!) , so they can slow talk you into opening up your wallet yet again. You can bet your bottom dollar if Apple saw a significant threat to their money maker, you'd see them eliminate the notch in gen 1 itself. Suddenly the "non existent" tech would magically appear.

You seem to be thinking that Apple will introduce under-screen cameras next... I highly doubt that. Under-screen will never have the fidelity of a camera without layers of screen in front of it. If anything the notch's dead space will become physically smaller, with the visible notch staying the same size to provide 'dynamic island' functionality, like on the iPhones. I'd pay for that.

Competitors have already introduced it, but the quality is shit, so Apple having a higher bar for image quality isn't quite ready to introduce it. They have been hard at work though.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/2023/12/apple-updates-their-un...

https://9to5mac.com/2023/12/06/under-screen-face-id-2/

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/iphone-under-display-ca...

I can't imagine how pissed you're going to be when they release a laptop that lasts 30 hours instead of 20 hours. Scammed again by evil Apple. :'(

The earth will thank you for creating more e-waste. /s

Not sure what is so joyous about opening your wallets for Apple. Normally people want more for their money, not less.

It's up to people to judge how much their money is worth. You just have a different POV compared to others.

The under screen tech doesn't even exist in a product today.

Did you want Apple to hold off on giving people extra real estate until that happened ?

You've already accepted the premise that Apple is "giving" a feature to the customer, so there doesn't seem to be any room for a conversation.

Under screen cameras have been in mass produced devices for 4 years.

Apple added 74 px vertically and the notch lives entirely in that space. It's simply more real estate. What is the "problem" they've created? That's like complaining about my apartment coming with a balcony

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