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Mozilla places Microsoft under fire for using deceptive tricks in Edge

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The original report was discussed a few days ago in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39237567

Thanks! Macroexpanded:

Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39237567 - Feb 2024 (315 comments)

Amazing. The first thing I use Edge for is to download Firefox. It pleads and begs me not to which makes me want to kill it harder. I hope the EU beats them with a stick until users can make an informed choice of not being upsold crapware by default.

Edge has become like a sexually transmitted disease that just won't clear up however much cream you stick on it.

The irony of them going after M$ when Google funded them while totally using all their monopoly power to get everyone to move over to Chrome with ads on Google itself that Google pays for to be the default in Firefox. And they succeeded. Firefox has lost so hard because of Google, and they are going after M$. I mean, I do think they are right, it's just the irony. Google never needed deceptive tactics. They just spammed their ads on Google that said "get the new fast Browser" they did not even say "faster" they just spammed everyone for years and all the idiots went for it.

> and all the idiots went for it

At the time a lot of people who transitioned to Chrome were still on IE7. They weren't future Firefox users. And Chrome was far faster and slicker when it come out than IE7, and a bit more than Firefox. It wasn't just advertising. It was better on a lot of useful metrics.

> Firefox has lost so hard because of

I feel that it is the users that are losing, not FF. It's like the meme "those who know/those who don't". People still (and forever will) trade safety/security/privacy/rights for some convenience. I expect nothing better/less from Google or Microsoft. I don't expect people to "wake up" and see what they are giving up/away.

They say that you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved. I think that by know every person online has come across on some article that states/warns about Chrome, Edge, Google ads/tracking, etc.

We will not save those who don't want to be saved.

True, all the normie idiots do not give a flying fuck about privacy, and they do not even think of it as "trading" it for something, they just give it away without even thinking about it. Germans are a little different and in general a bit more privacy minded, that is why Firefox still has more market share in Germany than in other places.

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/germ... https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/us

So that is PARTLY the reason, partly is because Google had search dominance of like 95% if something across the west, and they used it to push their Browser soooooo hard, I remember the times because I still used Google at the time. The amount of times I thought to myself "no I do not use your fucking spyware browser" I think they even used anti-AdBlock measures to push you the Chrome ads through adblockers. I was using Firefox and made a conscious decision to do so. Google was funding it, but its goals were noble, it was never actually that much slower than Chrome. I think there were times, long ago, where Mozilla actually advertised with speed and benchmarks and Firefox was faster at some point, I could be wrong. Today Blink for sure is a tiny bit faster, but I really not care, on a Desktop gaming rig you do not feel any difference.

Sorry but this is a weird post. Google did much more than self advertise. Its spread pattern was typical for what we've been calling malware. You could barely remove it. No, uninstaller did not clean house at all.

Adobe Flash used to bundle Chrome. And Chrome used to bundle Flash. Average people just click [Next] reflexively without reading and a whole bunch of potentially unwanted software is installed.

Not to mention Chrome was bundled into every random software installer, everything from MP3 players to torrent clients. You had to be vigilant, one misclick in a series of "next" buttons and congrats, you've got Chrome installed.

Paying to be a default search engine seems way more ethical in comparison.

Does Google use deceptive tactics to prevent you from installing another browser in Android or Chrome?

I don't know if they lost though, since they had no way to monetize and I doubt people (non-tech) would pay for a browser when so many free alternatives are available. They lost installs but gained money.

Wake me up when Mozilla places Google under fire for something.

Firefox is the fire. It's even in the name, see?

Gotta take out the rooks before you go for the queen

Perhaps Microsoft should just pay them like Google does.

Google's payment is supposed to be for search, but some of it has got to be to weaken their position against Chrome. CMV.

I would prefer they stop being borderline con artists.

It'd be really nice if most of the big players could stop that at this point. I feel like I'm seeing the beginnings of the cyberpunk future from movies. Just waiting for Elon to build some sort of cyborg suit and start trying to take over a large city.

I don't think so. They're already so marginal that they're hardly a credible competitor anymore.

Even edge is bigger now and that's a total turd.

Also in terms of regulatory pressure.

> Even edge is bigger now and that's a total turd.

Edge is Chrome anyways?

Yeah but with a lot of additional user-hostile crap.

A plugin that constantly monitors your activity and offers you 'coupons', a 'buy now pay later' scheme, lots of crappy ads for microsoft services.

They didn't even wait for it to build a marketshare before they started thorougly enshittifying it.

"Ah Sh*, Here We Go Again", browser wars https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_C....

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