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But if the company is worried about access can't it just pay the employee the 1-3 months without allowing them to work, even in Sweden?

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Yup, same in Denmark. It’s called “fritstilling” - basically they pay you severance equally to the amount of months you should have gotten advanced notice (3-many months).

But there has to be a very good reason. Such as theft, or actual security worries.

I believe this is called "garden leave" in the Commonwealth countries.

Gardening leave is usually a term for a paid non-compete. I.e. you're not allowed to work in the same industry for 6 months, and you're paid salary for those months.

“Gardening leave” is the polite fiction - much to do in your personal garden, so you are being given exceptional paid time off to deal with it.

I have genuinely spent a lot of time once sorting out the vegetable beds during a period of gardening leave. It was VERY therapeutic!

Yes, it's normal in IT in Europe to fire someone, revoke their access and still pay them for 1-3 months. On the other hand many IT professionals work b2b so some of the normal employment policies do not apply. On b2b contract the other side usually is obliged to pay for 1 month.

Yes, at least in Finland the penalty for not adhering to the notice periods is full pay during that time. But I never heard of it happening.

I work with identities. I've worked in Spain, France and uk.

99% of lay off are agreed and there is no need for account termination, my current company let's you have your account open 30 days after your last day, so you can move data out to your next company.

Sorry, move data out ?

Can you expand on exactly what this means, as I imagine most companies would not want their data moved out to another company.

Presumably things like "your credentials to the account that we deposit RSUs into" or "your picture of the beer they served in the cafeteria one time that you liked".

Pictures of beer aren't usually moved into your next employment place though, as GP implies, but rather to your own devices.

I am unsure actually as I am not an employer. I am sure it is possible but probably for sensitive jobs like military or something.

Some links if you want to google translate https://www.unionen.se/rad-och-stod/uppsagningstider-om-din-...

There is "duty of loyalty" where you can get sued for leaks etc https://www.unionen.se/rad-och-stod/om-lojalitetsplikt-och-l...

Of course we fire people in Sweden pay them and revoke their access, this is very uncommon I have only seen it once myself. Would like to note that, simply speaking, the rules change the more responsibility you have.

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