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Bard? Gemini? Gemini Advanced? Gemini Ultra? Ultra 1.0? I guess they haven't figured out naming yet. This has got to be the most confusing naming since the xbox series x.

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From one of the earlier announcements Google has made:

- Bard is that talkative text interface, a product.

- Gemini is the LLM design that currently backs Bard (but also other Google AI products).

- Gemini "Basic", Advanced and Ultra are different sizes of that design.

This is conjecture, but "Ultra 1.0" probably indicates that they intend to release more models based on the Ultra configuration. Since that's the most commercial of theirs, I wouldn't be surprised if that comes with some stability promises (e.g. Ultra 1.0 is still available when Ultra 3.0 is released, so that if you do your own validation when integrating in your own project, you can expect small-to-no shifts in the underlying model)

> To reflect this, Bard will now simply be known as Gemini.

And this completely undercuts my point in my response to sibling comment

No no, they renamed Bard to Gemini and Gemini Ultra to Ultra 1.0.

Damn they already killed bard. Pour one out for Google’s fastest branding deprecation

Sounds like Bard is ChatGPT, and Gemini Ultra is GPT-4. Arguably clearer than OpenAI'S naming.

Not anymore, bard is also Gemini now

With the Bard name retired, the mapping looks like this:

   Gemini Models     gemini.google.com
   ------------------------------------
   Gemini Nano
   Gemini Pro       -> Gemini (free)
   Gemini Ultra     -> Gemini Advanced ($20/month)

This was useful, thank you.

> This is conjecture, but "Ultra 1.0" probably indicates that they intend to release more models based on the Ultra configuration. Since that's the most commercial of theirs, I wouldn't be surprised if that comes with some stability promises (e.g. Ultra 1.0 is still available when Ultra 3.0 is released, so that if you do your own validation when integrating in your own project, you can expect small-to-no shifts in the underlying model)

Given that it's google. I would doubt it.

Ask how the original palm models are going.

I think that’s a side effect of each time they release a version to compete with ChatGPT and it’s not as good so they have to at the same time announce a few version that is suppose to be better than ChatGPT and each time it’s not overall so they have to announce a new version. Think this will continues for a while especially since non OpenAI companies have access to much less free data troves than they did not that everyone realizes how valuable that data is. But that even aside other companies even Microsoft in my opinion with full chatgpt access implement it much more poorly . I imagine Apple will suffer a similar fate for a while.

I feel that by virtue of being a search engine, Google has access to a lot of data that is now locked up but was available in the past.

They just need to curate their data but I wouldn’t be surprised if their pile is as large as OpenAiz

ChatGPT quality has recently degraded. I am only getting two lines answers,

All degradation is temporary (but you may want to switch to the API since it’s less focused on avoiding PR nightmares)

Corporate naming tends to reflect the orgchart and various individuals' desires for promotion... Get some other product branded with your teams name, and you have just expanded your domain and can show impact to any promotion committee...

Reminds me of the naming madness of the Google messaging services/social media.

It's not too confusing, I think it's mostly that they're in the process of changing the naming.

- Bard: Retiring this name - Gemini: model name (honestly less confusing than just calling it "GPT") - Gemini Advanced: More capable gemini model - Gemini Ultra: Most capable gemini model - Gemini 1.0: They version their models together, gemini has hit 1.0 ad is (supposedly) ready for prime time

I think Gemini Advanced is not a model at all but the paid version of the Bard (now Gemini) website.

You say it's not confusing but you've got it wrong :)

Gemini is the name of the model and the service.

Gemini Advanced is the service with access to Gemini Ultra.

Via the “AI Premium” subscription, obviously.

Which is in a Google One subscription

It's not included in a google one subscription. Just tried it out, got a "Upgrade your Google One plan to get Gemini Advanced €21.99 €0 for 2 months,€21.99/month thereafter."

Pretty hilarious thinking they can rival ChatGPT pricing with a product that doesn't approach it's capabilities.

I think the prize for the most confusing naming is a tie between USB and WiFi standards.

Don’t forget the Google One AI Premium subscription. There are very few superlatives left for them to use.

To be fair, the competition is ChatGPT, which is an impressively bad product name, among the worst for a consumer product ever. And it still hasn’t been renamed (perhaps a testament to the fact that names aren’t that important after all)

Bard was infuriatingly bad too, but more on a subjective level. And they correctly changed it, thank god. At least it’s easy to pronounce.

Software engineers have a weird obsession with Latin, Greek gods etc. Sounds smart and epic I guess. Personally I would have preferred “Steve French”.

Bard was absolutely trashed when it first released, so I'm not surprised they are trying to rebrand it.

Doesn't it seem familiar, like something Google would do? They should have someone like Larry Page, similar to how Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk handle things. A decision is made and you go forward. Google seems incapable of taking action without the approval of a committee and middle managers...reminds me of IBM back in the '90s.

Better than ChatGPT now only giving two lines answer .

I bet you have a hell of a time trying to buy gas. Do you pick Diesel, 85, 87, or 91?

Ultra Pro coming in q3

This makes sense. It’s clearly a binary naming scheme. So we go Pro, Ultra, Ultra Pro, Ultra Ultra, Ultra Pro Pro, Ultra Pro Ultra, Ultra Ultra Ultra, and so on.

I don’t understand why people find this so confusing. Are we not computer people?

Do you mean Xbox One Series X? lol

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