And wow, you cannot honestly call what Ashli Babbitt did "climbing through broken window". She was warned, and she tried to break through a barricaded door to where members of Congress were sheltered. She was shot in the front. We literally have the footage this [2].
[1] https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/politics/january-6-prosecutio...
Also, I don't have a subscription.
Ashli Babbit, the Trump supporter shot by Capitol police.
Kevin Greeson, the Trump supporter that died of a heart attack due to natural causes during Jan 6.
Rosanne Boyland, the Trump supporter that "appeared to have been crushed in a stampede of fellow rioters" (more accurately, was claimed to have been crushed, by prosecutors), actually died due to an amphetamine overdose. No crushing/trampling injuries are mentioned.
Benjamin Philips, the founder of a pro-Trump website called Trumparoo, died of a stroke.
Officer Brian D. Sicknick died of "multiple strokes that occurred hours after [his] confrontation with the mob. The medical examiner added, however, that “all that transpired played a role in his condition." What the NYTimes omits from this article, but is found in the NYTimes article they cite, is: "an autopsy found no evidence that Officer Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemicals or any internal or external injuries, the medical examiner, Dr. Francisco J. Diaz, told The Washington Post"
Officer Jeffrey Smith of the Metropolitan Police Department killed himself after the attack.
Officer Howard S. Liebengood of the Capitol Police also died by suicide four days afterward.
So precisely zero deaths caused by the Jan 6 rioters. Keep this in mind when you see the riot called "deadly". https://www.city-journal.org/insurrections-and-double-standa... covers the hypocrisy in greater detail.
What I was responding to is the frequent, deceitful, and hypocritical characterization of the riot as "deadly".
Correcting willful lies about something, correcting its severity downwards, is not equivalent to saying it was good or peaceful. But it's a common tactic of people trying to demonize something - any claim of "it wasn't that bad" is met with "oh so you think it was good??" It's a basic false binary.
To answer your question, no, it's not fun. But when minimizing stuff brings it closer to the truth, it is necessary.
Fundamentally you & yours don't want to say 'deadly' because it sounds bad. Guess what, it is! You own that.
Of course this wordplay is not applied evenly to all movements.
Just want to calibrate your definition.
No one was shot or skilled, despite a window being smashed (!!!). They were slowly evicted in 10 hours by riot police.
Fries Rebellion actually involved a trained militia, seems like a different category of event.
No one was shot or killed in Fries rebellion. Yet members were convicted and sentenced to hanging (though presidential pardon prevented that from happening).
Despite all that American school children learn about Fries as a foundational rebellion and an example of the difference between a strong federal government and the articles based weak one.
That is to say, every one can decide their own definitions but by historical standards Jan 6 was at least in the same league as other historical insurrections.
Thank God the USG was able to hang on by a thread in that brutal Civil War between obese off duty-cops VS obese on-duty cops.
She should not have been doing that, but… it sure is interesting how some people celebrate an unarmed person being shot by police because she supported “the other side”.
I'm just wondering if maybe making an example of someone had a great effect. Or did not.
"When I arrived in Washington this morning, I fully intended to object to the certification of the electoral votes. However, the events that have transpired today have forced me to reconsider, and I cannot in good conscience object to the certification of these electors. The violence, and lawlessness, and siege of the halls of Congress are abhorrent and stand as a direct attack on the very institution my objection was intended to protect, the sanctity of the American democratic process."
What's sad is this hypocrite is still campaigning for a Trump presidency in 2024...
As for the so called leaders in the building that day, I have zero respect for anyone who has to cower from their own citizens. Any leader worth his salt would have stood on a soap box and addressed the crowd. But the western world no longer has leaders. It has teleprompt readers, and lobbyist controlled puppets.
No political support except coordination between the Trump administration and the convicted leaders, dozens of these them, charged with seditious conspiracy of both the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, key planners behind the January 6th insurrection.
No political support except the march on the capitol beginning with Trump saying ""We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," before telling his supporters to march to the capitol. The same crowd not standing down until Trump told them to "Go home, we love you".
No political support except some Republican members of Congress leading riot participants through the capitol in the days before the event.
An event that was literally designed in adanvce to pressure Congress and the Vice President with the threat of violence (gallows and a crowd chanting "Hang Mike Pence") into rejecting legitimate election results and accepting slates of false electors. A crowd running through the Capitol chanting "where are you Nancy?" - echoed in an attack on her husband Paul Pelosi not long after.
An event that was proceeded by pipe bombs planted at the GOP and Democratic headquarters.
An event that involved the beating of Capitol police officers to force their way into the inner chambers of Congress.
And you're lying about insurrectionist Ashlii Babbit. She was not shot in the back, she was forcing herself into a shattered window, into a hallway where Congress was evacuating, along with other rioters.
Tell me, what was the end game of the rioters there? What do you think would have happened had they managed to get into the chamber while Congress was still present?
Was it only an insurrection if they succeeded?