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And now in Ukraine FPV kamikaze drones have gone from a makeshift novelty to the government aiming to produce 1M in 2024:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-produce-million...

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I saw a video of these things in action killing somebody on the battlefield, it was truly disgusting. Seeing videos like that has made me feel like I don’t care who wins the conflict anymore, it just needs to come to an end.

Watch some of the clips of the Bucha massacre of innocent civilians and I hope you will reassess. The war is brutal, but a bad "peace" could be worse.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008299178/u...

It's no more and no less "disgusting" than being burned in an APC, have your limbs torn off in a trench by an artillery shell, or slowly bleeding out after being shot in a field. You just normally don't see those deaths, and here you saw one. Why does that make you not care who wins this war, the ones waging a fascist colonial war or the ones defending their families from it?

People felt this way about Europe in WW2 as well.

Freedom is paid for in blood. People forget that after a few generations of peace, and then we have to pay again because we grew complacent.

Wars seem to come and go in 50-ish year cycles. The experiences of the grandfathers are forgotten.

Not so sure. The WW2 generation plowed millions of men and billions of dollars into Vietnam.

Only a rough guide.

Appeasement doesn't work with this aggressor; it only emboldens them and increases the likelihood of another landgrab in a few years. The only thing they understand is force.

Wanting the war to end is reasonable. Not caring who wins is extremely naive or selfish

Exactly, that's why supporting Ukraine is extremely important. As long as the aggressor still thinks there's a chance to conquer more territory, the war won't end.

I would say that the US also belongs in the agressor camp.

Do you mean globally in general? They're obviously not the aggressor in Ukraine. My Ukrainian friends didn't have their their family home annihilated US shells directly or indirectly.

Whether you are an agressor or not depends on the conflict. One can be both in different conflicts, and even change roles over time in the same conflict.

Yes, and in the Russian-Ukranian war Russia is the aggressor.

It worked with Stalin at Yalta in 1945, when Churchill signed away vast swaths of Eastern Europe to Soviet rule. "Appeasement" is frankly nothing more than a pejorative word for diplomacy. Be wary of those who employ its use.

That's a rather simplistic view of things. Anyways I'm not going get into it and instead leave you with a quote from Mr. Sherman:

>You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.

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