Hyper-Reality (2016) [video]
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> AR could be an awesome tools. Maybe it will be - if we can keep the people who ruined the mobile and the web out of it.
Eight years later, the two biggest names in this space are Apple (who ruined mobile by turning it into a money making machine) and Meta (one of the biggest names in targeted advertising on the web).
now its this nightmare:
To each their own but I would consider that an example of how modern web design can be done correctly.
2. scroll down. you will see the layout of the page change at least 4 times.
3. the single most important part of the page, the NAVIGATION, is hidden inside a drop down. so every single navigation for every page forever takes a click, mouse down and click again. instead of just clicking a link like the old style.
4. fixed elements on the top AND side.
the whole page is just a painfully obvious over engineered piece of shit, that may look nice, but is awful for actually navigating/using.
I didn't see that, it reflowed immediately for me.
>2. scroll down. you will see the layout of the page change at least 4 times.
I didn't notice anything.
>3. the single most important part of the page, the NAVIGATION, is hidden inside a drop down. so every single navigation for every page forever takes a click, mouse down and click again. instead of just clicking a link like the old style.
OK, but dropdown menus have been common for ages, I remember messing with Superfish back in the JQuery days, and the menu options seem to load on hover for me.
>4. fixed elements on the top AND side.
Yes, and? The point of that is to keep common navigation elements within easy reach of the mouse, rather than requiring the user to have to scroll up to the top of the document. It makes navigation easier.
I can see we're going to have to agree to disagree about this, since you're clearly emotional about it, I won't press the issue. I personally didn't find this site to be a "painfully obvious over engineered piece of shit" nor did I find navigation to be at all difficult.
it should not be reflowing 10 times, thats the problem. pick your battles. reflow a couple of times. after that just use a god damn scrollbar.
> I didn't notice anything.
the page layout changes due to multiple fixed elements locking into place
> OK, but dropdown menus have been common for ages
ah, so crappy experiences are acceptable if they have existed for a long time? I guess I should go back to coding C then
> The point of that is to keep common navigation elements within easy reach of the mouse, rather than requiring the user to have to scroll up to the top of the document. It makes navigation easier.
pick one. preferably side, because vertical space is KNOWN to be tight, its not a secret.
> since you're clearly emotional about it
or maybe you could just make a compelling argument, instead of resorting to petty ad hominem.
I don't know what to tell you. I don't see the problems you see. You want me to make a "compelling argument" about what amounts to a disagreement on subjective matters, when you're just having an extended temper tantrum and calling everything shit.
Go touch grass. I'm out.
that might be true, but how does that address the points in my arguments? if someone is lacking a strong argument, its easier to attack the commenter.
> is not a reason-based, technical argument, it's an expression of anger
this comment seems to ignore the four technical points I made in a previous comment.
> Vertical space isn't tight
unless one is on portrait device, yeah, it is.
> The three-panel layout has been around forever, it's so common because it's an efficient way of organizing site-wide and page-wide navigation.
it also hogs too much vertical space. again just because something is old doesn't mean its good. guess what, the home button has existed for longer, so people can press that, and then a fixed top bar is not needed.
> Clearly the site is usable, it seems as if you're just nitpicking details you personally don't like and overreacting to them.
another ad hominem. I would welcome a constructive comment, rather than a low effort attack.
> You want me to make a "compelling argument" about what amounts to a disagreement on subjective matters
I provided reasoned justification to my position. however some people seem distracted by the strong language, or maybe just using that as an excuse to avoid having to actually create a cogent reply to the point being made.
Gave up and just left, the modern web is trash.
Could you expand on this? How is that Apple's doing/fault?
* Meeting with top developers and encouraging them to move from a "buy once" scheme to a subscription-based model
* Using push notifications to advertise their own services, then eventually removing the App Store rule preventing third parties from doing the same
* Creating the in-app purchasing system but not adequately regulating its usage, creating the microtransaction fueled mobile game market
I’ve been burned too many times by a great app that I have invested time into, only for it to be non-function years down the line after an OS update or a switch to another platform.
This is mostly an issue with knowledge management type software. I’ve moved everything I can to Obsidian, since the off-ramp is just clear text, and still subscribe to it to help incentivize ongoing development.
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He was obsessed with using it out in public, in NYC, where other reviews are in living rooms.
I immediately imagined enhanced store signage, with dynamic, personalized ads floating in consistent space, placemarkers, directional arrows, etc.
Love it or not. It seems to be what’s coming.
Want bus notifications? They'd need to send them by your location, otherwise they'd have to broadcast all bus locations in the entire world to all people.
Want info in the supermarket? The supermarket gets to know everywhere your eyes wondered. Not just which products you looked at but which other people you looked at.
Similar issues for everything else.
When I first saw this video back when it came out I was mostly on the inspired side and assumed I could turn off the ads. Now, not so much.
You already are giving "someone" that information when you look up a bus schedule on the web. But, downloading a bus schedule for an entire state doesn't seem unreasonable, and only locates you down to a state.
I don't think the supermarket needs to know where your eyes wandered. An app can have information in it about all the products in the store and handle it on-device. There's no need to transmit real-time eye tracking to the store just for this purpose.
I'm sure that stores would _love_ this information, but it's not needed for the experiences mentioned. I don't think you'd need any more information than you'd already provide by searching the web.
Also, though I don't necessarily think Apple is altruistic in everything, if I'm guessing today, I think Apple would go a similar direction to iCloud Private Relay, and Meta would go the direction that you're worried about.
Same with the supermarket. It shows you what's actually in front of you, not what some stocker claimed was there when they put stocked the shelf 6 to 72 hours ago.
Other examples would include ads on stores. Your device can't show all ads simultaneously nor can it download all of them at once. Too much data. What it can do is ask each store for it's ad at the moment you get near but now you've just told the store you're near. Even near would be too much data though, looking down a busy shopping street or a a mall. It would likely only download what you look at and now the store knows what you looked.
Same with the super market. It's _very_ reasonable to download an ad for one store. Even for multiples.
My argument is "It would likely only download what you look at and now the store knows what you looked.", IS one way to do it, but it does not have to be the way that it's done. If your argument is that you need 100% perfect privacy, and therefore need to download all the data in the world all the time, then that doesn't seem realistic.
It's no different than the maps. Google knows which part of Google maps you're at. With several orders of magnitude more data needed to show all of that stuff in 3D in your POV there's no way they'll pre download it all. They're only going to show what you're looking at right now. Further, much of that they're showing will change daily. When all the displays on Time Square showing real time news end up multiplied by 100s to be virtual displays in AR, it's way more data. All of which needs to be pulled on demand, not pre cached, and all of which needs to be limited to what you see, downloading in directions you're not looking is a waste of bandwidth no one is going to pay for
I've been saying for years that it's the Zuckerberg version of augmented reality. But Apple shipped first.
Great video :-)