After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
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We have such groups around me which have resulted in vandalism of businesses and multiple bomb threats sent to multiple libraries. These assholes for a while were monopolizing the citizen comments section of city council meetings at any city which was allowing any kind of drag show or drag themed event (think drag queen story hour) in town.
The notable case of vandalism was a coffee shop not only with broken windows, but they also keep finding feces in corners of the place.
That is democracy, giving feedback to elected officials, even if you don't like it.
Vandalism, is hardly exclusive to "the far-right". There are plenty of self described "anti-fascists" publicly smashing things they don't like.
Call out violence when it happens no matter who is doing it.
> Vandalism, is hardly exclusive to "the far-right".
Getting your followers to call in bomb threats over trans-friendly content and events, however, is exclusive to the far right. Which is what this article is about.
> There are plenty of self described "anti-fascists" publicly smashing things they don't like.
This is what-aboutism and threadjacking.
Can you provide some examples of this? "Pedophilic or something" is pretty open-ended.
>Raichik posted that the school offers a “pornographic” book in its library that “teaches kids about gay sex.”
> Libs of TikTok’s post said it happened “in front of children.” Anthony said no children were present. He was clothed and laughing in the video.
I suppose if your point is that “if they don’t say the word pedophile they are not insinuating anything to that effect” then you are correct. If insinuation is not something that exists, the argument that there is no connection between the libsoftiktok posts and the bomb threats makes sense.
From this article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lgbtq-book-bans-librarian-vir...
> Libs of TikTok claimed that I was a pedophile and a groomer for trying to get my students to read.
These examples are not hard to find
As far as children being present, see my comment elsewhere: https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=39293774
These examples are not hard to find
Is there a copy of the inciting video available somewhere? The article didn't seem to include it.
That does seem damning, if true to how the article described it.
I have, and what I've found does not support the claims that people are making. Granted, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok are quite difficult to browse without an account/app, so I acknowledge it's possible that things exist I haven't been able to find.
I find it bizarre how aggressive people are getting in response to me asking for concrete examples.
What have you found without accounts on these platforms and how are you confident in what you’ve concluded given that limitation?
For example, I actually answered Rich’s last question but didn’t get a reply because it didn’t fit into the bit.
You didn't get a reply because I haven't been on the site.
You also didn't answer my question. You posted a blog post alleging that specific claims had been made. I acknowledged that the allegations seemed serious and asked if the video in question was available to be viewed, to which you simply responded "no."
Saying "you can easily find examples" is disingenuous when many of the examples are making or repeating claims that are either unsourced or with dubious evidence. For example, the linked article seems to omit context that took me "10 seconds" to find.
>I have, and what I've found does not support the claims that people are making.
and your reply to me!
What the site does is not innocuous; we already know that.
Asking for specific examples to substantiate serious allegations is not "being pedantic." This is a divisive topic, passing around potentially untrue or exaggerated claims only muddies the water.
But it wasn't. You just assumed it was because you weren't immediately provided evidence you could have just as easily found yourself.
The clips she shares are very often not edited by her, but out of context clips edited by someone else to serve a narrative. Even when they aren't, how you frame a clip when you present it to someone and the prior expectations and beliefs of the audience that is viewing the clip can very strongly influence the perceived import of the clip itself, even if it's the exact same footage. And she is explicitly sharing clips of queer people to an audience that is already pre-convinced that queer people are evil and groomers, with that explicit framing added on to the clip. Even if we ignored that for the moment, my comment, which you clearly did not read, outlined exactly why even ignoring all the interpretive effects, sharing a clip of someone to a very large audience of people who hate one of the groups that person is a part of is a really bad thing. When someone posts something online that doesn't mean they automatically have to want a gigantic audience of people who explicitly hate them to become aware of the clip, that's nonsensical, and what l o t t is doing is essentially directing the eye of Sauron that is the awareness of her mob towards people that they are already primed to hate, when otherwise those people's posts would have gone completely unnoticed and under the radar to that mob, thereby directing a lot of hate that would not have otherwise happened at those people. Do you not understand how this works? Maybe I should put it in terms of cancel culture and that would help you understand it. Imagine some small time conservative business owner says something on his personal Facebook page that's kind of stupid, but would have completely flown under the radar otherwise. However, some big Twitter leftist account finds that post, and boosts it to their large following, with a comment about how evil and bigoted this person is, obviously that huge base of fans it is going to go after that person and just make their life hell, when without the influence of that post it would have flown under the radar. Can you see how that would be bad now?
Further down, there are pictures of the event with the caption:
> Feel free to take a look at other photos from the drag show fundraiser, where at least one child is pictured.
Based on this, I don't think it's a slam-dunk case of her lying. It's possible that a child was present at some point but not for the spanking.
To many, myself included, the absence of children does not erase the absurdity and degeneracy of this stunt. It's still unacceptable. If children were present, it ought to have been criminal.
Hasn't pretty much every republican been caught doing drag in high school?
Edit: it’s always either school spirit week or Halloween
The last time our people won an election was in the 30s. It's looking like the next time will be too.
One person is lying, but we don’t know which.
What is being proposed in the article is that Libs of tiktok is inciting terrorism (or terroristic threats). This isn't a new type of censorship.
So the question isn't "what type of new censorship do you propose?" but "does this behavior meet the threshold to be considered behavior we've already collectively deemed illegal?".
422.7. Except in the case of a person punished under Section 422.6, any hate crime that is not made punishable by imprisonment in the state prison shall be punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170, or by a fine not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine, if the crime is committed against the person or property of another for the purpose of intimidating or interfering with that other person’s free exercise or enjoyment of any right secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States under any of the following circumstances, which shall be charged in the accusatory pleading:
Censorship is too easy for others to use as a club against persons they disagree with. Let the sunlight of public scrutiny be the judge.