The EU is a bit bonkers to think that it can get global tech companies to comply with increasingly tech-hostile regulations without any push back or red lines. At some point it just stops being worth the hassle.
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maybe a good thing. yanis varoufakis said EU had become irrelevant in tech.
more investment can go to local tech instead of US monopolies.
The small business owner pays taxes because what else can they do? Big corps go through tax-havens and relocations and don't do so, while profiting off of the infrastructure paid for by taxes (=> enabling customers over seas to even buy iphones). Traditional companies ship physical products and/or employ more people in the respective countries, while they also try to evade taxation I think those circumstances make them a much better subject to it though.
Really, the more I keep on talking to my friends in the Valley the more it boils down to the money factor. Salaries, VCs and all the likes. I don't say Europe shouldn't be less business hostile, but one should see the Valley the way it is and realize that just buy changing the laws and trying to copy it Europe can't succeed. They should find their own path.
We just don't have that unicorn culture. But do we need highly overvalued tech businesses?
A market made up of clones and forks, all worse than the prop competition.
Alone food quality is on a whole different level in Europe, exactly because we have, allow and welcome small time players reinventing the market.
They are just as privacy invasive as US albeit with less financing which means they are even more ruthless and hostile.
trying to regulate monopolies is business-hostile? maybe sometimes its needed to hurt a monopolist business in order to .. enable competition..
But there is ? Go to Paris, Berlin, Lisboa, Barcelona, ... There is a lot of start-ups, incubator, investor, meet-ups, conference, etc. The EU has a very vibrant tech scene. It is probably more distributed than the U.S, by nature, and not on the same scale. But acting as if the E.U is some sort of ludite, back water, hostile to business, is just plain wrong and huge exaggeration.
I mean, I indirectly benefit from the grift, but I am not one to put some lipstick on this particular pig.
You have highlighted my issue with this whole DMA situation. Every Android phone I have used has felt like privacy invading garbage (except maybe the nexus 4), yet I don't think they should be off market. I simply use an iPhone instead.
Instead of the DMA being pro-consumer, I read it as anti-business (probably US business). It feels created out of EU jealously of the US tech industry, and secondarily a way to help EU companies. Consumers will likely end up worse off, which I reminded of every time I visit the EU have to dismiss cookie banners on every damn site.
That is virtually impossible to be done with any Apple product.
If it feels like that for you I recommend checking your emotional state, the EU has a different approach to regulating businesses than the USA, it's not jealousy but different principles aiming for different outcomes than what the USA aims for.
> Instead of the DMA being pro-consumer, I read it as anti-business (probably US business).
You've criticised the DMA twice about being: a bad implementation, and now as anti-business. Yes, it is anti a specific case of business which in the EU's view is not aligned to the outcomes it wants in the economy, calling the EU anti-business is, at best, naïve, since it's an organisation focused first and foremost to deal with commerce and business in general. It is against business using leverages against citizens, something that the USA does not seem to care about, and that's fine for the USA just don't try to apply the same principles you live under to a different culture regarding businesses.
Most of the people here would love to be Apple and to abuse the shit out of their users rights in order to make profit.
This is not Slashdot.
As they say, "it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it". Even the ones that are not outright shills and cheerleaders often exhibit motivated reasoning...
I just think my life is genuinely improved by having access to Apple products, and find the blond hate and uncompromising takes in this thread to be just as baffling.
I live in Europe. And I truly hope so.
> The EU is a bit bonkers to think that it can get global tech companies to comply with increasingly tech-hostile regulations without any push back or red lines.
So... We in Europe would not be able to access anymore US huge advertisement networks and manufacturers of luxury tech toys?
Please, wake me up when those awful corporations do push back on red lines.
Good riddance.
In a future where Apple have withdrawn the app store, who in the EU is going to buy an iOS device?
Sorry, but the idea that they'd be able to justify pulling out to shareholders over this is pure fantasy.
edit: source - https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2024-q1/FY24_Q1_Consol...
But hey, maybe they can disband the government and elect another.