UNRWA-Hamas Relations
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This they have intel on. Other things... ah... they just didn't.
I’m curious there – if you are caring about innocent Arab lives – what other human suffering in Arab countries are you following closely and making cynical remarks about?
As soon as the American military assets are pulled from the region, Israel is welcome to try their luck with their neighbors (I'm actually eager to see it at this point, considering they lost to Hezbollah alone in 2006). Until then, they should get used to us caring about what atrocities our tax dollars are funding.
If you want to deem your parent an anti-semite, then you’ll have to deem pretty much everybody outside of Israel and even many people inside Israel (including the ad-hoc Israeli judge that ruled against Israel at the ICJ).
As a survivor of a volcanic eruption in Grindavík, with the future live of my home town uncertain, and my family turned refugees, I can sympathize with people that have to live in fear of a terrorist bomb hitting their home and have to occasionally flee to bomb shelter. But that is not what your parent was talking about, was it.
Me and my family don’t know half of what the people in Gaza are going through. Heck, me and my family don’t know 2^-10 of what is going on in Gaza. And if you have had to run to bomb shelters a couple of dozens of times, it still does not come even close to 2^-10 of the horrors the people of Gaza have to go through, as they are very plausibly living though being victims of a genocide.
In that comment. Look at their other comments and you can see a clearer picture of trollish hate.
Is it quotes of UN managers who say “being part of hamas is not a crime” in 2004? or is it the videos of UN equipment being used by terrorists during October 7? or the videos of hostages from the personal phones of UN workers?
Please enlighten us!
Edit: actually read it all and there is zero evidence provided. She says citations in her insta or patreon but there is nothing there. This is straight up hasbara propaganda.
There has not been an investigation at this point. At least two of them are already dead.
Meanwhile, back at the too big to fail bank land, HSBC was found doing business with actual terrorist organizations, cartels, and engaging in government corruption, and they paid a fine that they themselves were able to set, and then go about their day. But a humanitarian organization that millions rely on for day to day life due to an occupying force that can't be bothered to comply with international law must be held to a higher standard. Or something.
and you know it’s not true, how?
Most western governments, United States, Germany, Japan, Italy, the United Kingdom and France suspended funding based on intelligence that is worse than yours, so the world requires the source of information you have, so that less bad decisions are made. Please share!
So if I work at Google which has 156k employees, everyone would be ok when 156 of my coworkers murdered my children one day? Just the cost of working in an organization this size!
50k people work at my university. So 50 of them are about to sneak into our house and murder us?
Think about how stupid that line of thought is. If this was true for any organization we would have terrorist attacks all the time. We couldn't have a society with these numbers.
No this isn't what an org of this size should do.
These numbers are astronomical. UNRWA was infiltrated and its special access and privileges were to commit mass murder. Unless it radically changes it shouldn't exist anymore.
I think you are holding UNRWA to an impossible standard, and I think it's up to those who think it should be able to meet that standard to propose an alternative before proposing its abolition.
And btw, 12 out 12000 is 0,1%. Also, it’s more like 10% btw, and 50% having personal family ties to Hamas.
The claim about 10% doesn't seem to say much. What does it mean exactly for someone to be a "Hamas/PIJ operative"? Has UNRWA been told who these people are and what they have done? I suspect we will eventually find out if there was any truth behind the allegations against the 12 (or 13) specific people accused of involvement in the attack, but I doubt we will ever learn anything about the 10%. The 50% is completely meaningless. People are responsible for their own individual actions, not those of their family members.
My question remains, are UNRWA employees more likely to have been involved in or associated with atrocities than the average person in the region? Involvement and association doesn't necessarily mean that they personally committed those atrocities. How does this compare with the average Palestinian or Israeli? Should I boycott an Israeli company if 0.1% of their employees were involved in the commission of war crimes or other atrocities in the IDF, even if they were fired/suspended when the accusation came to light, and no one seems to be able to suggest what they should have done differently to avoid hiring them?
As for how indiscriminate it is, hard to take seriously from someone who's defending a regime that has actively carpet bombed cities for the past 4 months.
You know what’s relief? Medicine, food, re-settling.
You know what’s not relief? Teaching children to martyr for the profit of some disgusting Putin/Ayatollah friends.
Meanwhile, it's amusing the rape claims keep coming, even though not one woman has actually claimed that she was raped. But sure, it was widespread. Most certainly near the pile of 40 beheaded babies. Except, whoops, Haaretz reported the list of those killed on 10/7, and only one person was under the age of 3. Given the number of those killed by the IDF themselves due to the Hannibal protocol, there's a pretty high chance even that one wasn't killed by Hamas, who was more interested in military targets.
There's a reason all the songs go "lie lie lie lie lie lie..."
Now you're saying that it's normal for any organization in a war zone to include 0.1% terrorists in it?
That means that the UNCHR, which operates in the same environments, has had 20 ISIS members among their ranks that participated in terrorist attacks? Nope.
That UN peacekeeping missions like the one in Kosovo just went around murdering a few people here and there? Nope.
It's not true that to operate in these environments you need to include terrorists among your ranks. No one else does.
The UNRWA decided a long time ago that it was easier to work with Hamas. That's just unacceptable for an international organization.
Also, accusing Israel, who literally left Gaza to the locals and forcefully displaced its own people to do so, of genocide is absurd. Israel gave Gazans what they wanted: autonomy. They then elected a genocidal organization.
Did UNHCR operate in ISIS territory? I could be wrong, but I don't believe they ever did. The UN peacekeepers in Kosovo were not from the region, so that comparison doesn't make sense. Do you think it would be possible for UNRWA to recruit a sufficient number of people who do not already live in Gaza to move there and work for them, considering the rate at which UNRWA employees have been killed so far? You still have not said what UNRWA should have done differently.
My understanding is that the Israeli government never ended the occupation of Gaza in a way that could have allowed it to function as anything more than a ghetto or open-air prison. They forcefully removed their citizens from the territory, but did they ever end the blockade? Was there even a day when people in Gaza could import and export goods, generate electricity, or travel in and out of the territory without Israeli permission?
It makes no sense to solely blame the Palestinians for Hamas controlling Gaza when the Israeli government created the conditions that allowed them to seize power and the current prime minister of Israel has said: "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas [...] This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."
If one believes the "occupied Palestine should be free" narrative, why should they be fired instead of promoted?