You have to "be a lawful permanent resident at the time of your naturalization interview" [1]. (On the other hand, you're eligible if "you served honorably in the U.S. armed forces for at least one year at any time.")
Proposal is that anyone can enlist, e.g. at the border.
[1] https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-milita...
I do like the idea of military service as a route to citizenship though. But literally just signing people up at the border seems way too problematic and dangerous.
I agree. I assume we'd use foreign recruits to make up for domestic-recruiting shortfalls. The lack of knowledge of our history can be fixed with education; values, with selection criteria. I wouldn't be surprised if these immigrants turned out not only to be great fighters, but among the more patriotic Americans.
Considering the history of the French Foreign Legion, I’m disinclined to believe in the best possible outcome here.
History has taught this lesson.
A lot of Filipinos went this route in 70s or 80s (hazy on timeline here). They enlisted abroad as well, although I guess it’s a different situation when another country has Us navy bases.
https://www.quora.com/Do-any-Filipinos-serve-in-the-United-S....
Even in a comparitively similar country like Australia, where I live, Australians have a hard time understanding many basic American values, particularly political ones, in my experience
That said, I think there's a place for inviting people in. In America's case though, it seems like there's a huge reserve of people already in American society, both legally and illegally, that can be drawn on first. That to me seems like it should be the priority.
and serving in navy for 4 years is much smoother experience compared to green card lottery winners who are left on their own
> it seems like there's a huge reserve of people already in American society, both legally and illegally, that can be drawn on first.
I think the point is that reserve is not huge, because appeal is not that strong for those who are already in the US, hence navy drops requirements standards.
It's not a viable comparison to signing people up at the border to get US citizenship on any level.
However it could act as inspiration for any efforts to found a similar outfit in the States.
Maybe by us standards (1.4m active) - but the legion is almost 10k active personell - close to 10% of the French forces.
Still, Ukraine claim their foreign legion stand at 30k.
I don't know much about the Ukraine foreign legion, but being in an immediately existentially threatening conflict is a special case. I doubt the Ukrainians would wish for such a large foreign legion if they had the choice, although again, I don't know the history of its numbers prior to the war with Russia.
That’s not to say all of them were non-citizens but the Union went out of its way to recruit abroad.
The scene in Gangs of New York where fresh off the boat immigrants were signed into the army was realistic. We have a long history of using freshly arrived folks in our military with no major problems.
Further, you're talking about a time in America's history where standing armies were dispreferred, which is not what modern American militarism looks like at all.
Finally, as far as "foreign born" people go, as I said, I support the idea of military service being a route for them toward citizenship, I just don't think going down to the border and signing people up there is a good idea.
I think one interesting idea, although you might only be able to do it as a once off without creating too many bad incentives, would be to offer amnesty and a route to citizenship this way.
I don't have a dog in the fight though, I'm not American. The risks of making joining the armed forces a direct route to citizenship in one of the most desirable countries to immigrate to in the world is not negligible though, you need to be careful, lest your armed forces turn into green card mercenaries, with no value base.
I enjoy the thought experiment immensely even if I disagree with the result / interpretation; I end up rereading the book every 3-5 years.
This is a great proposal that could break the logjam on immigration reform.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961#:~:te....