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'All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_vie...

The article does not have an NPOV:

'The 2020s anti-LGBT movement in the United States is an ongoing political backlash from social conservatives against LGBT people. It has included legislative proposals of bathroom use restrictions, bans on gender-affirming care, anti-LGBT curriculum laws, laws against drag performances, book bans, boycotts, and conspiracy theories around grooming. Between 2018 and 2023, hundreds of anti-LGBT laws were considered, with more than one hundred passed into law.

The backlash has been described as a moral panic and part of a larger culture war in the United States.'

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Wikipedia, as a form of publishing, has always been biased towards the "look at me i have the good opinion" crowd. Because it gives some good visibility.

Its gotten worse as egotistic sudo-intellectuals have taken over and revert any proper changes even when properly source because it conflicts with their personal beliefs. Like colleges information is being limited by political alignment.

What changes would you make to this description to make it more neutral?

" from social conservatives against LGBT people" Its not just from social conservatives, many social liberals are also in this group. This is adding an inherent bias. Trans-exclusionary feminists(TERFs) will for example have heavy overlap with many of the opinions of of the anti LGBT movent, yet are being excluded.

Trans exclusionary radical feminists are socially conservative. It's eponymous; any group that has to exclude people by definition is conservative in nature. They're not traditionalists necessarily, but they are defined by a shared conservative belief. No educated TERF would argue differently, unless they're somehow convinced that femininity is a liberal concept.

You're correct that some mostly-liberal individuals hold conservative beliefs, but that's not proof of bias in the language. They're using the most accurate possible word, and if you disagree then you should take it up with Merriam Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative

> radical feminists are socially conservatives

Bold claim.

> MW: conservative: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions

LGBT advocates who want to keep LGBT institutions to advocate from, are then conservatives.

Please check your pre programming.

It's not really bold at all. Their conservative belief supersedes their liberal ones; you wouldn't be a TERF if you weren't highly discriminatory about your peers. That is, by definition, conservative behavior. If you think TERFs hold a unifying liberal belief that prevails over trans-exclusion, you'd have a point. Alas...

> LGBT advocates who want to keep LGBT institutions to advocate from, are then conservatives.

Sure. They're obviously socially liberal, but that would be an individualist and conservative decision to make.

As I said in the last comment; people who are largely liberal can also hold conservative beliefs (and vice versa). You could even claim in a post-queer world that LGBT advocates then become the conservative party. We don't live in that world though, so radical feminists that believe in trans-exclusion are still socially conservative.

The term "TERF" isn't really accurate though, it should really be "MERF", if such a term is needed.

Point is, these radical feminists are excluding males from their feminism. I really don't see how that makes them socially conservative.

For example, radical feminists tend to advocate strongly for lesbian rights, based around the fact that lesbian women are female with a sexual orientation exclusively towards others who are female. The right to experience their sexuality free from harassment, the right to enjoy female-only lesbian spaces, the right to keep the word "lesbian" exclusive to them and not have it redefined to include bisexual women or any type of male.

How often do you find social conservatives championing these lesbian rights? I would say very rarely, if ever.

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