Nancy Pelosi Made $500k from Her Nvidia Bet, Doubling Her Annual Salary
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So EG - making a private investment or specific stock investment - has to be precleared by a compliance officer for conflicts
And these are backed up by SEC "teeth" if compliance officer doesn't enforce that policy rigorously
It adds beaurocracy, but it's straightforward enough that it's not a major impediment
Like "Oh hey you're on a committee that is going to determine AI policy? Seems like probably that's a conflict."
Nancy could still make the trade by investing in a non-controlled investment, or tech-heavy index fund.
But probably not just write a check into NVIDIA.
While private industry is full of shenanigans I remain perplexed that gov't insiders - who don't just profit from these trades - but can actually influence policy - have virtually no hoops other than "after the fact" reporting
(edit - actually I'm not perplexed at all, I'm just depressed about the reality of gov't accountability)
I am not perplexed in the least that it occurs.
Just dumbfounded at the level of self-dealing that happens in full public view.
I don't think anything changed in regulation, it was just the rise and boom of AI
To think that members of congress do not trade on insider info is naive.
> Congress beat the market, once again. Of 100 trading members, 33% beat SPY with their portfolios.
This does not inspire a lot of confidence in their findings. If 33% beat the SPY, then twice as many congress members underperformed.
Can you share specific claims that seem relevant?
I'll admit I'm conflicted here. On one hand, yes, I can and I'd encourage you to just start with looking at the figures since figures say a lot. There's actually not much text and most of the page is figures. But on the other hand, I think there's enough nuance to what's going on that oversimplification can result in a inappropriate dismissal of any claims. Not being a domain expert will only exacerbate any failures to communicate. Certainly the devil is in the details here. FWIW, they do have a tldr.
> If 33% beat the SPY, then twice as many congress members underperformed.
This being a perfect example. The former does not imply the latter. Nor would the latter imply that there wasn't foul play.
First off, there is a third option: matching the SPY.
Second, beating the SPY is a proxy metric which is typically used to help identify those that have performed suspiciously well, not those who performed average. It is actually difficult to beat the market, and more so to do it consistently[0]. So I must insist that you use the metric as a guide, not a filter or target.
Third: There are many ways to under-perform compared to the market, including not investing. I mention that specific mechanism as one thing the report shows is that there are far fewer filings by Republicans so this is necessary context to properly evaluate some fact like "Democrats beat their Republican colleagues by a massive margin." (Dems ~= 2x Reps in transactions) We must also consider that democrats have fewer members and that >50% of each party's transactions originate from a single member of that party (Ro Khanna (D) and Michael McCaul (R)). There are also multiple vehicles for wealth generation so while stocks should be of interest, it shouldn't be used as the only evidence of manipulation and/or foul play.
Fourth: consider what information is marginalized by the metrics. Pareto distribution should be expected, and it is even observed. You must therefore be considerate of aggregates as variance is high (difference between mean and median is large).
But I will give you some TLDRs. The report goes into nuance because the claim of insider trading is reliant upon details:
- Top 10 returns, in order are: Brian Higgins (D-NY: 239%), Mark Green (R-TN: 122%), Garret Graves (R-LA: 108%), David Rouzer (R-NC: 106%), Seth Moullton (D-MA: 80%), Ron Wyden (D-OR: 79%), John Rutherford (R-FL: 69%), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT: 68%), Nancy Pelosi (D-CA: 66%), Peter Sessions (R-TX: 63%). SPY returns ~=25%. 32 members beat SPY (50/50 split by party) (Note: Higgins holds $100k in NVDA, purchase was from 2021, no sales have been recorded)
- 19 congressional members had negative returns, 13 being Republicans.
- Kevin Hern (R-OK) stands the most to gain via stocks that correlate with war. 4 of the top 5 most incentivized are Republicans, the other is Pelosi in 4th. Follows power law distribution.
- They have a breakdown by transactions that align with members that serve on relevant committees (this is where detail matters and stronger evidence of foul play is drawn from).
I would suggest reading or at least giving a quick read rather than relying on me to accurately summarize it for you. Especially if you think there is a bias. I'm sure you can carve out 15-30 minutes if this is actually a topic you care about. If not, I might suggest ensuring your confidence in your existing model appropriately aligns with your domain expertise and time dedicated to becoming informed on the subject.
[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/14/business/stock-market-202...
It would imply literally nothing of interest and is an absurd claim to lead with. Congress beat the market absolutely doesn’t follow from 1/3 of them beating the market. It would be strange if that number were considerably lower.
> First off, there is a third option: matching the SPY.
realistically only possible if there’s a healthy margin to be qualified as “beating” it. Is that considered here? Idk. I’m guessing not.
> Second, beating the SPY is a proxy metric which is typically used to help identify those that have performed suspiciously well, not those who performed average. It is actually difficult to beat the market, and more so to do it consistently[0]. So I must insist that you use the metric as a guide, not a filter or target.
No, that’s a stupid claim. It’s incredibly easy to beat the market in a single year by chance. Again for unqualified definitions of “beating it”. It is extremely likely that a sizeable proportion of any investing group will beat the market in a given year. You are correct about multiple successive years.
> Third: There are many ways to under-perform compared to the market, including not investing. I mention that specific mechanism as one thing the report shows is that there are far fewer filings by Republicans so this is necessary context to properly evaluate some fact like "Democrats beat their Republican colleagues by a massive margin." (Dems ~= 2x Reps in transactions) We must also consider that democrats have fewer members and that >50% of each party's transactions originate from a single member of that party (Ro Khanna (D) and Michael McCaul (R)). There are also multiple vehicles for wealth generation so while stocks should be of interest, it shouldn't be used as the only evidence of manipulation and/or foul play.
Incorrect. The metric being discussed only included trading members.
> Fourth: consider what information is marginalized by the metrics. Pareto distribution should be expected, and it is even observed. You must therefore be considerate of aggregates as variance is high (difference between mean and median is large).
I don’t care man. If less than a third are doing better than the market then there’s not a lot of evidence to suggest they’re using info to beat the market. Because they’re not beating the market on average. The total return was within a few tenths of a percent of the SPY index.
It’s a dumb claim. Is there insider trading? Maybe. Idk.
But regardless. Do they on average beat the market? That is definitely not supported by the data. Fee free to run a t test.
This is why I stressed considering what is marginalized out. I'll use an extreme example. Let A = [1,1,1,1,50000] and B = [100,100,100,100,100]. Is A > B? Mean(A) = 10k, Mean(B) = 100. Median(A) = 1, Median(B) = 100. Similarly Congress can, on average, beat the market while 2/3rds of them do not. I hope we see that the math even allows for us to approach 0% of members beating the market while an average value can.
I am guessing the reason you disagree is likely one of two false assumptions: you've confused mean and median, or you've assumed performance is reasonably homogeneous (i.e. low variance).
> No, that’s a stupid claim. It’s incredibly easy to beat the market in a single year by chance.
I am certain you know that "difficulty" is about intentional skill and not a reference to an act of god. You have removed any doubt that a conversation can happen in good faith.
> I don’t care man.
Clearly you do. But I actually don't. I don't wrestle with pigs.
That’s a wildly different claim though.
If you’re saying one person beat the market by a suspicious amount, you should say that. You should not say that a large group of people beat the market. The large group of people on average did not. Using the mean to describe a group dynamic when your mean is dominated by a single outlier is lying with statistics. I am a data scientist fwiw.
> I am certain you know that "difficulty" is about intentional skill and not a reference to an act of god. You have removed any doubt that a conversation can happen in good faith.
I don’t care about your semantic argument. It is very easy to beat the sp500 on a given year by random chance. I have done it for the last six years by a negligible amount. Do I have any particular insight? No. I’m 95% dumped in SPY and my 5% did a bit better.
It is only beating it repeatedly and by a meaningful amount and net of any fees related to funds or investment managers that are hard. SPY is not a magic, difficult to beat goal. It’s simply a solid, average performing strat that takes zero effort. The reason most funds underperform it is because they do zany high risk stuff. If your portfolio is comprised of largely normal investments in common companies you’ll on average match the SPY with about half of your years beating it.
> Clearly you do. But I actually don't. I don't wrestle with pigs.
I really don’t. I don’t actually think politicians should be allowed to trade stocks at all for appearances alone. I just don’t like bad stats.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004727272...
Or do you need a citation that members of congress trading based on knowledge they have is not legally defined as insider trading? Because that's also easy to Google fwiw
https://unusualwhales.com/politics/article/congress-trading-...
So to translate:
> Congress consistently outperforms professional traders
to
> The average performance of members of congress is higher than that of professional traders.
This does not mean a specific member outperforms a specific trader. Though there are specific members who consistently have a performance level that is higher than top traders. Which should beg the question of why these people have such high "skill" levels. This also does not mean there aren't congressional members who lost money in the market (there were 19 actually).
This investment was made on November 22nd 2023. ChatGPT had been around for a while before then, it was not introduced 8 days later.
That's one thing that people don't seem to get when they look at stocks at a superficial level. Nvidia's rise was entirely expected. A quote among many - "We’re shocked by Nvidia’s pricing power on AI chips that we see driving earnings upside, higher valuation" - Apr 2023 when the price was less than half it is now and that statement was 100% correct yet the thread i'll link has a tone of conspiracy theories that it's a lie. https://old.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/12rbhs8/nvidia_stoc...
In fact in superficial analysis land (aka retail investors making trades on past history and PE alone) there were posts on reddit that Nvidia at half the current price was a great shorting opportunity as their PE was high. https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/12c6sbx/nvidia_nvda...
I still can't believe just how bad the retail investor community is. They don't go into any detail on companies. No view of the incoming orders and costs. They don't look at the long standing declines in userbase (there's non stop "Paypal is undervalued" threads on Reddit right now despite the constant user decline), they do superficial analysis and make poor decisions and when they see someone do well on investing through diligence they scream conspiracy.
So Nancy Pelosi, and more specifically her investment banker husband did well on this trade? No shit. They probably did some level of homework.
You are essentially placing a filter of "you must be this rich to bribe politicians." This could "counterintuitively" empower the already powerful even further, as you decrease their competition.
To perform market capture they must capture a critical mass of politicians (we'll say mass varies by each politician's power). While there's already an implicit filter for those high mass politicians (fat cats ;) -- since you accumulate mass quickly -- the system's robustness is through the distribution of power among politicians. The whole political structure is designed to make it difficult to capture enough mass, and this is identical to the argument against authoritarian systems. So the constraining effectively reduces competition and can actually make mass accumulation cheaper and easier for companies that have the highest potential (and incentives) for abuse.
So unless you got a counter argument that can convince me that this is of no concern, then I'm sticking to my original position.
But yes, people that are good at evading the police are in fact able to "freely" commit murder. I'm not sure why you thought this would be be a convincing retort considering it is true by definition.[0] You do in fact have to be captured by police and subsequently prosecuted. I am glad that you do understand the most basic operating principle of the judicial system: you cannot imprison those who are not in your custody. (A bit tautological, don't you think?)
[0] Assuming "freely" means "able to commit crime without judicial repercussions". I assume you don't mean "freely" in reference to having capacity as such a definition wouldn't be conditioned on legality.
Serial killers do exist. There are, in fact, serial killers who have never been caught. Several even famous to California.
Do you not know who OJ Simpson is?
Do we seriously have to drop examples of people who got away with crimes because they were good at not getting caught? Isn't that why Frank Abagnale is famous? You seriously think we've caught everyone? And instantaneously?
Imagine if this clarity of thought was not wasted in Washington: https://youtu.be/fwqWzbk_LeY
$100mm in SP500 and NVDA is 4% of SP500 so purchase $4mm in NVDA stock at beginning of 2023.
Price increased 237% in 2023. $9.48mm gain.
I don't see how a 500k gain is considered at all noteworthy considering her asset size and considering NVDA's huge gain.
Is it abnormal for her peers?
Is the return exceptional?
Is there any evidence of wrongdoing?
Nvdia is the wrong example to use against Pelosi. Nvdia rise is purely due to the AI moment. No Congress people had any "inside information" about Nvdia that helped to make this bet. In fact, the inside information about banning Nvdia chips to China would have encouraged them to make the opposite bet
There are two reasons to oppose congress people trading
a) They may have insider information (This is highly over-rated). Congress typically don't have any specific insider information that is not available to sophisticated traders. The laws that they pass are signaled months or weeks ahead.
b) Conflict of interest. This is the more serious one and the reason why it should be banned. Congress people obviously won't vote for laws that would hurt their individual stock portfolio
For what it's worth, I was surprised that the Speaker of the House earn 250k. That seems too low.
Senior engineers, senior managers and above all make that sort of money but without the horrible lifestyle of politics. Would you trade a Bay Area engineering career for that? I wouldn't. Yet whenever it's even suggested to raise politician wages for the sake of those politicians who aren't already billionaires there's uproar.
Let me be blunt. You don't get talent without paying for it. The USA's mix of political backgrounds has become a monoculture of wealthy lawyers and investment bankers. We don't have enough representation from other careers in politics and it'll ruin us if we don't fix it, namely by increasing the salary of a highly stressful career to ensure we encourage the best and brightest to sign up for it.
> I always want to say to people who want to be rich and famous: 'try being rich first'. See if that doesn't cover most of it. There's not much downside to being rich, other than paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you become famous, you end up with a 24-hour job.
In Pelosi’s case, that job includes the possibility of a lunatic attacking your husband with a hammer. You would have to pay me very well indeed to put up with that kind of risk, esp. if you need to hire private security…
Maybe! But what if politics wasn’t a career? What if there was no profit motive? What type of people would it attract?
The only kind of people I can think of willing to put up with the negatives of high political office (which include a non-zero chance of conspiracies to assassinate you) for no or little pay would be zealots and ideologues, likely already independently wealthy.
The tech sector is famously productive, arguably even too productive. But average time in a specific job is similar to congressional terms. If people with specific expertise and goals in mind are in congress they could compromise to achieve those goals just like we do in the private sector.
Judge for yourself – the data is public.
Is outperforming SPY abnormal among non-congressional peers?
Here’s the actual report: https://unusualwhales.com/politics/article/congress-trading-...
From the tl;dr:
> Congress beat the market, once again. Of 100 trading members, 33% beat SPY with their portfolios.
So 2/3 of congressional traders underperform SPY.
This also means the image in the tweet only shows top performers.
From later in the analysis:
> Note that there are a total of 535 Members of Congress, with 100 in the Senate and 435 in the House.
If congress has such useful information for trading why is only 1/5th of congress trading? This 20% is roughly on par with the 15% of the American public directly owning stock.
Congress looks a lot like the general population by these numbers. About 20% are active in the market and of that 20% most of them don’t beat it.
I’m less concerned with them having non-public information and more concerned with conflicts of interest. If they own Chevron will they still be inclined to pass that EV subsidy?
Particularly during the pandemic it was just painfully obvious that she was trading based on information that was not available to the public.
Her and particularly her husbands returns are just straight improbable without some explainable edge, and the only logical explanation I have seen is her political position.
Common to suggest to just bar trading, which would make political jobs a major disadvantage. So others suggest only allowing for a third party managed fund that would be index focused. This sounds good at surface value, but when you go look at indices like VOO (S&P 500 based) you find, unsurprisingly, that Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Nvidia, Google, Meta, Tesla, B&H, JPMC dominate. Any index fund will tend to be like this, unless we created some very special fund to track the whole economy (I think there could be something to this one fwiw, but construction would need to be done with extreme care). The reason this can be problematic is that they could still grow their wealth by targeting policies at the top companies. All you'd need is to know what the index composition is. I mean should be obvious since Nvidia is in VOO.
The other common suggestions are salary based.
Some say to move it up to disincentivize them. Can make sense, as most people do not care much when their earnings reach a certain point. I'm sure that includes many here, especially given that the a large part of the idea behind Google/Big Tech perks is because increasing salary is less attractive for people making $150k+ cash (prior to equity). But politics naturally attracts people who are power seeking, and well... we still see Elon giving a shit about how wealthy he is when reality is there's very little his net worth (~$200bn, current #2 richest) gets him that Peter Thiel can't also get (~$6bn, rank #451) (nuance needed about liquidity and other aspects as money doesn't work like it does for normal people in this wealth range, but claim is generally true). I mean Elon could create multiple CERNs that could run indefinitely through returns on investments. So there's good reason to believe that the wealth incentive model that works on the average person doesn't work well on politicians.
So there's also the argument to decrease salaries, do disincentivize power seekers from looking to politics as a way to obtain power and wealth. Idea here is to only attract people who are passionate about the job, like teachers (before teachers get burnout). But the nature of the job will always include power and Goodhart's Law is always in effect, so it'll be unsurprising that people can exploit the rulesets (or in this case, they make their own) and can channel money (to combine with their power) through third parties, which sets the stage for market capture.
So others suggest term limits. There's also pros and cons to each decision here. Some people also suggest changing the number of politicians: fewer to centralize power, which can streamline many processes but that makes us vulnerable to autocratic takeover as takeover is dependent on the collection of keys to power; others say to increase the number, in an effort to further decentralize the system and make it difficult to capture enough keys, but this can lead to very slow moving and ineffective governments as well as reduce dependence on experts as the point of representative powers is to act as smoothing functions to wisdom of the crowds. Incidentally the highly distributed case doesn't prevent capture, but rather towards Plutocratic settings instead of Autocratic as it is unlikely that a single individual can more or less perform a 51% attack (to put it in less politic, more tech nerd speak). So one can argue that it is easier to replace a few keys when things go wrong, in favor of centralization, or increased robustness, in favor of distribution.
There's plenty more suggestions and I still find a lot of them lacking. Most of this is even independent of such things like Capitalism and Socialism that people often conflate as solutions. The matter of the fact is that this is an incredibly complex solution space and I feel pretty confident saying that there is no global optima. And if we're going to get a little math nerdy, we can really think of voter preference as people considering "the optimization problem" (like we're solving a linear program) but each individual places different values for the various constraints (I believe lots of fighting revolves around this, as in any given subject we may be optimizing for different objectives but we assume others have the same conditioning on constraints as us so we think each other dumb). So we have this solution space that almost certainly has more than 100 independent dimensions, if not thousands, with magnitudes more interconnections as the systems are highly coupled, not to mention how the environment is dynamic and there are many outside forces (natural and human driven) that one can not vary.
Fuck this is a hard problem and I really wish we could just talk about how it is hard. I'm absolutely tired of hearing about easy solutions. If it was easy, we would have solved it thousands of years ago. Honestly, I think our resistance to even admitting to a little bit of complexity bars us from even making good steps in the direction of optimization. I know it is human nature to desire simplicity and waste energy with complexity, but we're 21st century beings and all the easy problems are already solved. So we need to rely on what makes humans unique, which is in big part about being able to understand multivariate systems and how long-term optimization does not necessarily align with short-term optimization (which these days we seem hyper-focused on short-term). That we can reject rules, momentum, and guides in recognition of the distinction of the alignment between desired outcomes and how we measure outcomes or set guides to achieve them (we are also very good at hacking all this, but machines are good at reward hacking, but not so good at alignment adjusting).
(Does anyone know if there have been any serious efforts to place a mathematical description on this optimization problem? Like a giant linear program? Seems like something someone would do, more for fun than utility)