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Lenovo secretly want Linux to catch on big-time, because they HATE the amount of leverage Microsoft have over them due to the ubiquity of Windows on so many of their devices. But they have to be careful to not embrace Linux too openly for fear of Microsoft retaliation. So they're in a bit of a catch-22 situation.

I'm sorry, I won't say any more than that due to the possibility of transgressing some long forgotten NDA. But if you can run down any current or former Lenovo employees I doubt you'll have a hard time confirming this. Also note that this was true circa 2019 or so, and went at least as high as the #1 exec in the company's PC division.

Note: they may also resent Google for similar reasons, but I can't speak to that from first hand knowledge.

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It's surprising to me that all the OEMs aren't working hard, and haven't been working hard for the last 15+ years, to maximize Linux support and improve the Linux UI/UX experience. It seems like it wouldn't have been that hard to do, and still wouldn't, and would help move the OEMs towards owning their own destinies.

My working thesis is that most OEMs are focused almost entirely on this quarter's results, and not on improving their situations years from now.

Imagine if Dell, HP and Lenovo made some kind of Personal Computing alliance and put some good millions to make Linux Mint work flawlessly in all of their computers. No frills, no .conf edit, just install the "certified mint" and sleep, Webcam, wifi, fingerprint, etc etc working with closed source blobs, I don't care.

That would be a wet dream for me.

Out of everything, mint would be an awful choice.

I don’t think that would be the case for Microsoft to retaliate, I suspect there might be a whole bunch of regulators just waiting this abuse of dominant position just to stop the spread of competition

LOL. That would be naïve.

They just have to retaliate in such a way that keeps plausible deniability with the regulator.

To me it looks more like your is the naive point, you're talking like microsoft is a random guy in some basement, it's a huge company with a massive headcount, how do you deny when you can request internal communication or have potential whistleblowers? Looks surprising that after all the times regulators have fined/regulated these massive corps people still think that they can "act surprised/denying"

Which regulators? "Regulators" in the US aren't going to do anything at all about Microsoft. Regulators in the EU may slap MS with some fines, but it'll just be a "cost of doing business" fine.

lenovo is chinese, microsoft is usa

And regulators usually don't regulate foreign companies? I am european so I was talking more about EU

Lenovo is globalist, and Microsoft is globalist as well. Despite slightly different topologies, their globes intersect by a significant amount.

Yea I don’t think it’s totally a globalist thing it’s more like why pay the google / Microsoft tax and or their leverage and just put Linux on their machines. Dell also offered FreeDOS before .

there is no way a whole bunch of us regulators are going to pounce on a us company for stopping the spread of competition from a chinese linux-installing laptop vendor, and if a bunch of chinese regulators pounce, it will not have a major impact on microsoft

lnxg33k1's point that eu regulators might is well-taken, though

If that was true they would have had more than time to actually ship a Lenovo Linux with Thinkpads.

Yet in most regions it isn't even an option on the business store.

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