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I listed four other concrete options and closed with “or whatever other direct support method they have set up” — I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them.

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> I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them.

you are wrong in your assurances( eg: i am listening to this on spotify at the moment Odeon Yılları Album by Nesrin Sipahi ) and your "other options" have nothing to do with how you listen to their music. Ppl listening on spotify also go to concerts they are not mutually exclusive.

Are you saying Nesrin Sipahi, who received a personal award from the president, has nothing but Spotify?

No idea who that artist is. It something spotify recommended and I am into it.

I didn't find that artist on bandcamp or any other non-streaming platforms. only on spotify, youtube, apple music. Are they not equivalent, didn't realize you were making a point specifically about spotify.

And yes I will surely go to that artist concert if they are in my area. Me listening to on spotify has nothing to do with it. If anything I would've never found that music if it wasn't for spotify.

Nesrin Sipahi is a far cry from a small indie artist that relies on support by their fan base.

And there are many options to buy her music as physical copies directly from her labels.

Of course it’s fine to use Spotify to listen to music and find new artists - I’m saying the worst way to pay artists that rely on their fan base for income.

> Nesrin Sipahi is a far cry from a small indie artist that relies on support by their fan base.

Who said this though?

This is what you originally said.

> If you care about the artist here pay them directly either through bandcamp

I responded to this

> I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_

Why did you bring 'far cry from a small indie artist ' into the picture all of sudden when you said 'every' in original comment.

Your original comment was about 'small indie artist' only ? You should've said 'small indie artist will always set up something' if you meant that. agree that might be true for small artists.

The argument is that this artist is only available on streaming, and that that's where most of their revenue came from?

https://www.amazon.com/CDs-Vinyl-Nesrin-Sipahi/s?rh=n%3A5174...

They're selling CDs, Vinyl and MP3s on Amazon, but their SoundCloud only has 29 followers.

Maybe they screwed up when they went all-in on indie digital distribution back in... 1978?

https://turkishvinyl.com/record/57/

Of course a celebrated artist with a 50+ year career that is a national icon won’t be reliant on digital distribution…

I think that would be obvious to anyone that wants to have a conversation in good faith.

I read you comment, looked at what spotify was playing on my speakers and posted that comment because you said 'every'. I really have no idea who that artist was or even what language that is.

Your comment wouldn't have been worthy of a response if you had said 'small artists'. Because thats well known problem with all streaming platforms and not just music.

Now looks like you are not even saying 'small artists' . It only applies arists who are not 'well known' ? No idea what you are even trying to say. Maybe use some precision ?

I would suggest you educate yourself a little bit about the culture you consume. The artist you chose is extremely well known and about 85 years old so I can’t take your example serious.

Of course I can’t give an extremely precise category of artist that is better paid directly than through Spotify - but everyone reading that argument in good faith knows what is meant.

You just choose to read it in the most unfavourable way imaginable.

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