As long as homes don’t have high quality symmetric ipv6 fiber connections not hidden behind CGNAT, the cloud is here to stay.
Ideally, you would be able to buy a ready to go NAS and set up your own cloud at home in a few easy steps.
Ideally, you would be able to buy a ready to go NAS and set up your own cloud at home in a few easy steps.
* The average person does not do backups. No, he will not do backups. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this very real, very basic problem.
* The average person does not understand file systems. No, he will not understand file systems. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this problem by Abstraction(tm).
* The average person does not use much disk space; the biggest chunk is probably the photos on his phone. Combined with the previous, a 1TB HDD/SSD in a NAS at home is "WTF" and "WTF" for him.
Note, we aren't average people.
2) Filesystems et cetera, are not rocket science, Windows gives you even a way to automatically create mirrored disks, it's just a matter to read a tutorial
I don't feel I have any obligation towards average people, it's their works and it's their duty to understand basic tech, it's not rocket science. Like all other people try to inform themselves about pipes in a bathroom, kitchens, medicals, etc.
If they don't, if Google or Microsoft change their ToS (That I guess the average person hasn't bothered reading) or if Google has a data loss, then should not complai, if Microsoft changes their policies, they shouldn't complain, being an average person is not a justification to live leeching society, ignorance has never been a justification
You asked "how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services", and the answer to that is "Ain't nobody got time to 'puter.".
No, I'm not being facetious; I'm serious. The average person wants to use computers to enrich their lives, not manage computers and be sysadmins. Cloud storage is just one natural evolution path of that demand.
Hell, I'm not an average person and I'm also buying into cloud storage now. I'm in my mid 30s now and life isn't stopping; I want to become a greybeard, not a neckbeard.
Also, I'm going to reply to this claim here since it was edited in after I already replied:
>Filesystems et cetera, are not rocket science,
File systems are absolutely rocket science.
It's been well over 30 years since that paradigm was introduced to try and make how computers handle data more relatable to most people and it has not worked.
It is the year 2024 and most people still put everything on their desktop. Kids in particular[1] do not grasp file systems at all.
File systems are an abject failure of human interface design and engineering.
[1]: https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/27/2032200/students-do...
Tbh, it's an office-based metaphor created by and for office admins. The general public just doesn't relate. Maybe if they'd called directories "wardrobes" or "drawers"...
It should be technically feasible to make setting up backups to your own NAS at home as easy as backups to iCloud. So if people are backing up to iCloud, I do not see why they would not backup to their own NAS. Same for why they do not need to understand a file system just because they have a NAS.
> Combined with the previous, a 1TB HDD/SSD in a NAS at home is "WTF" and "WTF" for him.
I don’t know what WTF means here. 1TB is cheap these days, so not sure what the issue is being pointed out in your 3rd bullet point.
A proper backup is 3 copies, 2 on different media, 1 offsite.
Absolutely no average person is going to bother with any of that. Three copies? Ridiculous, he will say. 2 different media? I ain't made of money, he will say; also WTF is a "media"? CNN can backup my stuff? 1 offsite? I'm not going to juggle stuff in and out of my bank's safe deposit box, he will say.
Cloud storage solves all of those concerns for less than pennies to a byte.
>Same for why they do not need to understand a file system just because they have a NAS.
Managing a computer of any kind requires understanding them, and that includes understanding file systems. Most people do not understand file systems, please stop telling them to because it's never going to happen.
>I don’t know what WTF means here.
"What the fuck" as in "WTF is '1TB'?", "WTF do I do with 1TB?", and "WTF is a 'NAS'?". Remember, we are talking about average people. Not computer wizards and sysadmins like most of us here.
Why is this relevant to people having the bandwidth to do backups at their own site? And getting cutoff by a big tech company with no recourse is not a “proper” backup either.
> Most people do not understand file systems, please stop telling them to because it's never going to happen.
I never did. I setup a Synology NAS 8 years ago and I have not had to look at it since. Surely, the UI software is even easier to use these days.
> What the fuck" as in "WTF is '1TB'?", "WTF do I do with 1TB?", and "WTF is a 'NAS'?". Remember, we are talking about average people. Not computer wizards and sysadmins like most of us here.
We have different expectations of people. At one point, average people did not have electrical, plumbing, washers, dryers, refrigerators, laptops, smartphones, routers and access points, etc.
I think they would be able to handle one more appliance where plugging it into network, scanning a QR code to setup, and pull out and push in HDD in the event a HDD or NAS break.
By far the biggest reason most people do not do backups is because It Is Fucking Tedious And Expensive. Cloud storage is the answer to that problem.
It's only when we get to big enterprise companies (read: businesses that wouldn't classify as small business) that cloud storage becomes impractical or even legally infeasible. Of course, remember we are talking about the average guy at home.
>I setup a Synology NAS 8 years ago and I have not had to look at it since. Surely, the UI software is even easier to use these days.
I have a Synology NAS too, and I agree it is very easy to use... for special people like us who breathe computers.
>We have different expectations of people. At one point, average people did not have electrical, plumbing, washers, dryers, refrigerators, laptops, smartphones, etc.
I'm not sure if you realize that most people call up a professional technician or engineer for all of that if something comes up. Fridge or washer breaks down? Call. Toilet backs up? Call. Breaker keeps tripping? Call.
Now yes, an average person could hire someone to setup and maintain a NAS for him at home, but that's going to be far more expensive and a hassle than just forking over a Hamilton ($10 bill) or two to Microsoft or Google every month and making it all someone else's problem. It'll be managed better and he won't have strangers coming into his home, too.
Computer literacy is at an all-time low because the overwhelming majority of it has been hidden away as much as possible by large tech giants in favor of their own corporate "clouds".
And no - the "next generation" isn't doing any better on that either because they were raised on these devices and often don't know, or worse, don't care about that sort of thing. It's really bad.
There is hundreds of companies offering nextcloud hosting, and yet the presumption is that only the big 3 is viable.