EV drivers discover fundamental flaw in battery tech as -30F temps hit the US
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The article says “it takes 3x longer” because of charging, so that would make it… 26 hours of charging alone? Maybe they shouldnt be writing zero-effort news articles based on some random tweets.
Bjorn Nyland on YouTube has plenty of reviews where he charges in cold weather, all you need is to make sure the battery is preheated (I believe Teslas do it automatically once you add a charging stop to the gps route) and then charging happens at normal speeds.
And using AI to annotate pictures:
> Beautiful view of a man connecting a charging cable
Maybe he meant that it would be 3x longer with the extreme temperatures for charging only? So 6 hours instead?
But I agree, it’s a total trash article. No actual quotes from owners, only third parties. No comparison on how ICE vehicles fare under similar conditions.
A lot of EVs (really; a lot) don't even have preheating, or you cannot start it manually (like Tesla).
If you navigate to a supercharger it will precondition the battery as you approach.
Here are some actual owners: https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/194yg8x/how_are_yo...
> My partner’s gas car wouldn’t start last night so we took the EV. That’s how it’s going
If you drive less than 200-300 miles per day, you plug in at night and never worry.
Took me a full year to stop worrying about it. Was always doing the range math in my head.
Ive seen people complain in eastern eu about 50% drop
For temperatures above -10C (14F), a car with heat pump will typically have a range drop of 20-30%, where a car without heat pump will have a somewhat higher range drop, but when temperatures go below that, the heat pump becomes increasingly less efficient.
Some cars will back a backup PTC heater, where others, like (recent) Tesla Model 3/Y/S will run a motor to generate "waste" heat.
Some cars will also scavenge waste heat from the battery, while others cannot.
Some personal experiences in -15C (5F) is that Tesla Model Y LR loses about 25% range, where a VW ID.4 Pro loses closer to 40% range, despite having a heat pump. Ranges are measured on the same stretch including city driving and highway driving.
Ironically the solution is essentially the same — keeping your car plugged in to keep warm.
This makes no sense. Use the ICE to run a generator, and have full-electric propulsion; this way you can run the engine at the sweet spot for efficiency as needed.
This is exactly what diesel locomotives do; the diesel engine has no mechanical connection to the traction system, which is entirely electric.
Trains sacrifice drivetrain efficiency in order to get precise traction control to prevent wheel spin and to greatly simplify power routing to bogies. They make up for the efficiency loss with low rolling resistance steel wheels on steel track and really good aero due to long trains cars all drafting.
The reality is that for most people this is a non-issue. The biggest issues in temperatures that low is that your combustion engine won't start because your 12V battery has failed. All solvable, by just using a block heater. Which incidentally is the same way you can mitigate a lot of the range losses due to cold battery in EVs.
I have a kayak/bike trailer I use in the warm months. For my daily 35 miles commute I could use electricity and still have the capabilty to do long drives with all my kayak or biking stuff plus all the kids stuff.
I’m a huge BMW fan but the Model X was freaking awesome. The Model Y felt like a Ford Pinto with the hardest suspension you could find.
Not 100 miles, but enough to do quite well for daily errands.
I guess you could go with say 10Kw generator and run a deficit and double your range while having to both charge and fill up fuel then your looking at around 1000 lbs dry and $10,000.
($60 dollars less if those are canadian dollars)
* https://www.travelmath.com/cost-of-driving/from/Saskatoon,+C...
I can answer a bit more seriously later if you are actually curious.
Rattlesnakes and black widow spiders are about it. The scorpions are the annoying but not lethal kind by me.
No deep freeze required... and there's no disease-spreading mosquitoes or tics to speak of any time of year.
Fresh snow makes gives my city a clean soft look, hiding the dormant brown of fall. It quiets and slows the cars. People out walking become friendlier. Snow's reflectiveness can make the darker days of the year so bright. You can walk anywhere on frozen ground and roll around on snow without getting muddy. You can ski, sled, or just walk and enjoy it. A breath of cold air wakes you up instantly.
Unfortunately my region, the Great Lakes, has been rapidly warming and trending towards rainy near-freezing winters instead of snow. But I do appreciate every snow we get. It probably helps I live in a city and don't need to drive.
You could say that about any decision about anything, so it's pretty meaningless. I live in northern Ontario. It's below 0F all this week, and that's on the warm side for this time of year. We usually get a week or two of -20F, and -30 is cold but not remarkable. And believe if or not, people _do_ choose to live in these climates, regardless of the ties you listed above.
I love winter. I love the stillness, I love being cozy inside, I love the feeling of braving the elements outside. Maybe it's a bit trite, but knowing that just being outside can literally kill you if you're not prepared for it tends to make you feel pretty alive. I love how everything dies or hibernates in the winter, and I love the renewal and rejuvenation that comes with spring.
And like a sibling comment pointed out, you can always put on more clothes to be comfortable, but you can only take off so many. I hate heat and humidity. I bike to work five days a week year-round and run outdoors all winter. Late summer when it's so hot and miserable to be outside is when I stop running.
OK I'll say it.
I accept the meaninglessness of why most people are where they are to begin with, because most of the time
>>their choices are not objective decisions.
otherwise it would be a dense high cost of living area already
you are perfectly aware of the contrarian nature of your choice
Someone asked the question of why people want to live in climates like this. I'm answering the question from the (subjective) perspective of someone who does. You are needlessly confrontational in trying to impose your logic on other people's decisions.
VW have a China JV which is focused on this market - JAC Yiwei EV will be the first sodium-ion powered EV to go into mass production, happening Q1 2024