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My small business once spend 50k per month on AWS. We brought that back to 800 dollars for a similar setup at Hetzner. I find this a significant number.

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What's your Hetzner setup look like? 98% cost savings makes me curious...

Reliability differs, right?

I have hetzner vms going on 500+ DAYS without restart. I've been a hetzner customer for about 8 years now. Aws has been down x10 times more than hetzner has. And even when hetzner has issues they are localized to a single DC at worst, most often a single host is down. When aws has issue.. The whole internet has issues. Or their central region goes out, also can affect their other regions.

For the small/medium businesses infra I manage here in bulgaria , the same thing would cost 5-10 times as much on aws just for the compute, throw in 1tb of bandwidth.. And this makes no financial sense.

On hetzner I pay 40 euros for 2 vms, dedicated ips, daily backups, 100gb of ssd external storage, and firewall.

I have more than 10 servers on Hetzner (some dedicated, some VPS), for 5+ years and the same experience, once one of the dedicated servers had some hardware issues, and an hour later the drives were moved to another box and it was running again. Other than that time, I had downtime only because of my own fault.

Pretty sure over these years AWS has experienced a lot more issues overall.

"Yea this small VPS provider with 1% of the features is just as good as AWS to us" yea that's because you aren't using features as basic as AWS Nitro Enclaves and you are years behind even basic cloud security.

Hetzner is for running homelabs and basic compute, not businesses. That's why EU companies constantly ignore EU rulings on US-EU privacy shield because there's just no alternative to American cloud providers yet.

People have been running real businesses before the cloud providers existed. Of course you can run a business with rented dedicated servers.

Of course you can run your business on it, you will just suffer because there is practically 0 automation to it. I guess if you are a small business but we are very obviously not talking about mom and pop shops who need a web and email server.

Incorrect, there's automation for on-prem or smaller providers as well, just because you're unable to doesn't mean it's the truth.

How do you think AWS or Cloudflare is built?

You're arguing semantics, you are on massive copium if you think that automation is useful to anyone. Go ahead and set up cryptographic attestation (or just try and interface with a TPM ffs) for your apps on Hetzner to decrypt customer data and see how impossible it is.

It's useful to a lot of people, not everyone has the same requirements. I'm running SecureBoot and LUKS encryption on my Laptop. If there's a TPM2 interface in whatever you can use the same thing. Add an immutable Linux distro and Kubernetes and you'll cover pretty many use cases. Not everyone has the same requirements, $BIGCLOUD makes things easier, but you also pay top dollar for it. AWS funds Amazon

Sorry but what kind of wubble wobble talk is this. Hardly anyone needs the stuff you refer to.

Everyone needs it, you've just lied to yourself enough that you can talk yourself out of setting it up for your own apps. It's easy and free if you're in the Cloud, and nearly impossible on-premise to do yourself (i.e. why most VPS providers don't do it).

My business is running on Hetzner. And many others as well.

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