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With this in mind, recommending emacs when someone states that they are interested in a system where the "code runs in a GUI that is also the editor/debugger/etc" does not seem out of place at all to me.
Pharo can also be recommended but its a lot more resource hungry and with a mouse centric workflow compared to emacs which is keyboard focused.
Yeah, and guess which one is *actually* widely used and still relevant today?
The Interlisp timeline gives an idea, that a lot of research into interactive development took place in the 60s and 70s, using it.
https://interlisp.org/history/timeline/
GNU Emacs is based on a Lisp system, but the focus was (is) to build an user-programmable, extensible editor, not to resemble a "lisp machine", which was a computer with an operating-system.