Why are Americans frustrated with the economy? The answer lies in grocery bills
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1. Used cars go for 50% more than they did before.
2. New cars are selling at or above MSRP.
3. Housing prices went up 30% or more where people want to buy.
4. Interest rates for loans to buy those overpriced houses are now 2-4 times what they were when those prices went up.
5. Rents have gone up and availability has gone down.
6. And yes, on top of that prices for everything have gone up, including groceries.
And how have salaries kept up with this? That's right, they haven't. The median income in 2019 was 27.7K and in 2021 went up to... wait for it... 28.8k. No inflation adjustment in there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_...
This isn't rocket science, why is it that financial and economic reporters seem so out of touch with reality? I have read and listened to multiple interviews that have the same theme of "the percent gdp growth is good, people just think things are bad because they're having an emotional reaction". People think things are bad because the average person can't afford basic things.
29K a year is roughly $2,400 a month.
Average rent in the USA is $1,300 https://www.forbes.com/advisor/mortgages/average-rent-by-sta...
Average car payment (on a used car) is $530 https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/average-...
That leaves $570 for car insurance, health insurance, food, etc.
The math doesn't add up for most people and it certainly doesn't add up to being able to afford a more expensive things like a home, a new car, a family. People are frustrated because they look at the future and see forever renting, leasing, working low paying jobs, and never being able to live that lives that most before them did.
As for cars, there is new manufacturing being added to the industry. Further, prices are slower to fall than to rise. In the real estate market it’s the slow trickle of homes selling due to factors forcing them to sell which will push prices down.
And grocery prices are possibly a combination of corporate power concentration (see above about democracy needing to work) and an invasion destroying one of the world’s most important breadbaskets (Ukraine).
Generally these people are reachable via email so I don't want to hear “the work week wont allow it.” If you have time to post to HN or reddit or wherever about what’s pissing you off you can do some civic duty to effect change.
The so-called "professionals" are simply useless, and guess what...people are figuring that out too.
Just like the fact that I can go to grocery store and get dozens variations of food is because of “professionals”.
Financial services help build up farmers sustainability and help new companies build supply chains.
Lots of nice things we can enjoy in first world countries would not happen if there would not be people making sure that money can move around.
Starting from the fact that many professionals made many mistakes over time, the meme trips you into concluding that if there were no people in that category of "professionals" , then these mistakes wouldn't be made and somehow society would just work "correctly" if it wasn't for those pesky "professionals".
This meme builds on a time-honored meme that comes in vary forms such as "a member of that other ethnic group committed this crime; if we only got rid of all members of that ethnic group then those crimes wouldn't happen"
It is as simple as a mismatch in situational awareness.
An expert considering the macro side of an economy with 330 million people in it cannot meaningfully tell any one individual that things are good/ok if that individual's situation is growing noticeably worse with the same earnings.
No memes are required.
But that doesn't explain how people can think they can just trash all expertise and think the good parts of the world will keep working just fine.
Because that's pretty much what it means in practice.
Echo chamber.
There has been a recent example of that in the UK, where a number of politicians and professionals (central bankers, economists) have said an important objective is to reduce wage inflation. If you are someone who is paid wages (especially if you real terms wages have been reduced by price inflation) you are quite likely not think this is a desirable objective.
The objective isn't to reduce wage inflation, it's to reduce general inflation. Restraining wages is one way of doing that.
Elsewhere it’s been noted these scores don’t line up with how much is actually being purchased by people. There’s something else going on than just economics.
Otherwise, I deeply suffered from the Great Recession. Couldn’t find meaningful work for many years. This despite being well educated and qualified. I think we can agree these days are not those days: RE was cheaper. Food was cheaper. There just wasn’t enough demand for labor to employ people and thus fund demand. Trillions in RE “value” had to be marked to market and lost value. Trillions in debt were no longer ever going to be realized. Huge companies were facing bankruptcy and filed bankruptcy. At least one automaker had a sitting POTUS as its CEO for a while.
Nowadays, people do seem to be employed but prices have risen. We also have an ever growing war in one of the most important breadbaskets of the world. We knew that was going to raise global food prices.
Living in a small town with one grocery store, we've seen grocery prices up at least 25% from the Before Times.
On a fixed income, this is a very big deal.
Some level of food demand is not elastic: you have to eat.
National macroeconomic policy rarely affects domestic grocery prices. It's hard to listen to political leaders who last shopped for groceries in the 20th century.
I bet they did something similar with eggs.
The things I buy that have noticeably gone up in price are the occasional frozen item (breakfast sandwiches going from 4 dollars to nearly 7 for a four-pack) and protein bars. So the price inflation mostly does seem to be dependent on the industrial processing parts.
Add to that one of the least affordable housing markets ever. Obscenely expensive childcare, far more expensive than it's ever been to the point where it's simply crushing for many.
The result is an economy where the basics: having a roof, kids, and food are a stretch for many. I don't know a single person who reports the economy is good. I talk to kids around the university all the time and it's normal now for them to have lost hope that they'll be able to afford a house and kids.
All of this is made worse by Biden et al. selling this as a victory and so offering zero help.
The students you mention talking to generally aren't even in the job market. It's all coming second hand.
Which isn't to say people have no idea what's going on, but it can be fairly disconnected from reality.
It doesn't take social anxiety to see how unaffordable housing is.
Since it is not going that direction we can all say economy is doing well.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Median_p...
Housing prices that have gone up dramatically, interest rates that have gone up dramatically, many others that matter to people and apparently not to economists.
The cost to purchase a house using a mortgage is indeed way up, but surely it is worse to focus on this specific metric rather than the general basket of goods.
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/09/median-househ...
I think the cost of housing is probably the most important thing to look at since, for most people, it is the highest monthly bill. I think all of the various cost increases that make existing harder are important to look at though.
This is all happening while everything of course gets more expensive, especially staples like housing and food.
The only people I know who are doing well are in crypto.
I simply can’t justify restaurant spending right now, for example. No way I’m buying a new car with 7% interest rates.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2023/12/19/...
The economy sucks because of Biden—he’s only benefiting from what Trump built!
The economy is wonderful because of Biden — if Trump gets in it will go back to huge inflation and crap!
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EGSPC?p=%5EGSPC
People with money in no-public investments are probably doing even better.
Not just a US phenomenon either.
Everyone here and everyone I know is doing unimaginably well compared to the year 1350.
Yemen is in the news. Their GDP per capita is $618 USD a year. Everyone I know is doing unimaginably well compared to that.
By and large we are a society with the mentality of spoiled children after decades of huge economic growth and no inflation. We got very use to the price of goods and services staying the same while getting better year after year as if it would always be that way.
I just seen the other day how a movie ticket use to cost $5 in 1972. That is $37 in 2023 adjusted for inflation.
Our lives are so great it is just hard to be impressed by anything.
> Our lives are so great
You are a homeowner with no children requiring childcare ?
> I just seen the other day how a movie ticket use to cost $5 in 1972.
I googled this. Looks like it was $1.69 in 1971 https://www.natoonline.org/data/ticket-price/
All the people in my tech friend circle are landlords post-pandemic. They've all extended their credit to max during free money covid bonanza. All of their proprieties have now appreciated between 30-50% . Even the supposed 15% "crash" would still put them in a nice green at 2% interest rate.
I mean, they’ll be fine. They’ll have lives above 95% of people, but they’re disappointed because their 300k salary (and some with a physician spouse, So 600k) isn’t buying them what they thought they would get even in places like Dallas, Memphis, and Charlotte.
Absurd and not looking to garner empathy for these folks, but just to say no one’s feeling accomplished or stress free monetarily. Seems extremely fucked up, but maybe I don’t have the higher level context. Maybe highly paid physicians, tech workers, etc always felt poor in the 70s-80s-90s.
2k are more than enough if your sample is chosen correctly.