New evidence that polar bears survived 1,600 years of ice-free Holocene summers
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> Crockford is a signatory of the International Conference on Climate Change's 2008 Manhattan Declaration, which states that "Carbon dioxide and other 'greenhouse gas' emissions from human activity...appear to have only a very small impact on global climate,"
Warning: irony ahead.
In the first line of the lede, Susan Crockford is introduced as "a Canadian contract scientist who runs a small business identifying bones and other items in scat of wildlife". (italics mine)
It's clear that the lady is just a contract scientist with a small business. We can picture her rummaging the scat of wildlife for "items", presumably keys or other small objects lost perhaps by serious scientists while doing their work.
In the "Early life and education" section, we're first told that she "gained her interest in the Arctic in elementary school" and that her scientific interest was stoked at age 11 when she received a dog for her birthday. It's sad how sometimes you don't live up to your childhood dreams and you end up rummaging in wildlife scat.
The education part then briefly informs us that she received a doctorate (of which no title is given, but that is specified to be in "Interdisciplinary Studies" despite being about evolutionary biology), and concludes reporting extensively on criticism of her work.
Then the "Career" section, divided in four small chapters, in this order: "Business", "Books", "Dogs" and finally "Polar Bears".
Then the article ends with a rather large "Criticism" section, which focuses entirely around the climate change issues. Almost all the references throughout the article are coming from a climate change blog or are related to climate controversies.
Einstein received the same treatment before relativity was widely accepted.
In medicine the man who started the practice of cleaning hands before surgeries and childbirth, was essentially murdered for his preposterous practices:
"You'd think everyone would be thrilled. Semmelweis had solved the problem! But they weren't thrilled.
For one thing, doctors were upset because Semmelweis' hypothesis made it look like they were the ones giving childbed fever to the women.
...
The sad end to the story is that Semmelweis was probably beaten in the asylum and eventually died of sepsis". - https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/12/3756639...
And paraphrasing Dr. Willie Soon, from the recent Tucker Carlson interview - found here - Soon says it only 1 takes scientist to be right - so the "unsupported by scientific literature" should hold little weight as you presented it at some kind of proof point; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7IdLzxzINw
All you're doing here is citing, to make it appear legitimate, what essentially is high level ad hominem - as you're not going into any specifics to argue a point, and where I doubt your sources even attempt to counter argue all of the relevant arguments that Soon put forward. You're just parroting propaganda talking points, literally copy/pasting them from a known corrupted-manipulated source:
"In a February 2021 interview with Fox News, Sanger stated that Wikipedia's 'ideological and religious bias is real and troubling, particularly in a resource that continues to be treated by many as an unbiased reference work'." - Larry Sanger, co-founder of Wikipedia.
That's quite the bold-shalow claim-conclusion with providing no supportive evidence to dismiss all the claims/counter claims and work of these seemingly highly competent and ethical individuals, like these two, for example:
Dr. Willie Soon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7IdLzxzINw
Dr. Christopher Essex - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpjpBWxvamA
If you only put in that much effort into comments, how much effort do you likely put into adequately researching and sorting through the complexity of issues vs. how dismissive are you of talking points that don't fit your narrative, and how much confirmation bias will you likely succumb to?
Richard Lindzen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LVSrTZDopM
Judith Curry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0PQ1cOlCJI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly–polar_bear_hybrid:
“Genetic analysis has revealed multiple instances of introgressive hybridization between bear species, including introgression of polar bear DNA into brown bears during the Pleistocene ("grizzly bear" is a local common name for Ursus arctos whereas "brown bear" is used internationally and in science to refer to the species as a whole)“
> The book includes a detailed account of brown bear and polar bear fossil evidence, recent hybridization events between brown bears and polar bears, and summaries of more than a dozen genetic studies that have been done on these bears.
(It's on my bookshelf but I haven't had a chance to read it yet)
I don't think there is anyone scientist saying if earth transitioned slowly over the course of thousands of years to a higher temperature there would be a mass extinction. We know for a fact from our recent ice ages thawing and freezing that this isn't the case. The rate of change is totally different. The Holocene warm period was slightly warmer than our preindustrial era and had CO2 levels around 300ppm. The Eemian period was 1-2C warmer than preindustrial society and had 280ppm of CO2 (and sea levels were about 30m higher). Those periods of warmth happened SLOWLY over the course of thousands if not tens of thousands of years. We've gone from ~280ppm to ~420ppm of CO2 in less than 300 years, half of it happened in the last 30 years. (And it's really 500ppm if you add methane and other greenhouse gases.) The last time atmospheric concentrations were this high was 2-3 million years ago and temps were 4-5C higher with sea levels at 60m higher than today.
My point is that it is the meteoric rise on a geological timeframe of CO2 that is the issue. If the sea ice melts but also the surrounding tundra, boreal forest, and marine ecosystems collapse what would an apex predator like a polar bear survive on?
I also think focusing solely on polar bears is bit of misguided when we're talking about the effects of climate change. They are one species and deciding whether or not things are bad given the outcome of that one species is misguided. We're talking about complex interdependent ecosystems where it's estimated half of all species on the planet are experiencing some stage of decline. Will polars survive? Who knows! They could interbreed with grizzlies and form a new species, the real question is do we want to continue making their existence our own more difficult and less likely?
https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/05/26/almost-half-worlds...
https://ocp.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/arch/examples.shtm...
..It's happened before. Didn't look like a pleasant experience but it's not something that's unheard of in recent history (rapid climate change). During these events ancient humans fought tooth and nail against each other. Doesn't bode well now that we're (Humans) armed with Nuclear Weapons.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/national-tempera...
(select one month/all months for hi-res data).
Note that data before 2005 (and after it outside the USA) comes from heavily corrupted sites that were never meant for climatologists and which have experienced a lot of urban development and building-related warming. The post-2005 US CRN data comes from weather stations meant specifically for monitoring the climate. And after that new weather station comes online US warming turns out to be way slower than predicted, and not alarming.
> I also think focusing solely on polar bears is bit of misguided when we're talking about the effects of climate change. They are one species and deciding whether or not things are bad given the outcome of that one species is misguided.
There are very few species that have been seriously claimed to be endangered by climate change, polar bears are by far the most often presented to the public. It's right and proper that false predictions about one species informs people's expectations about predictions for others, especially as it's not the only failure. Corals have stopped being referred to as being killed off by climate change after the Great Barrier Reef made a sudden and unexpectedly huge recovery after its last bleaching, reaching record levels and completely confounding the "experts" who had data stretching back only a few decades.
Nothing is sacredWild guess here, I know nothing about these things.