Principality of Hutt River
principality-hutt-river.com
principality-hutt-river.com
The new "network state" theories are a lot more interesting overall, though -- creating new groups of people FIRST, then building out progressively more solid physical infrastructure (potentially in different places), then networking them.
I've discovered I can tolerate almost any local conditions (tiny dorm room, Sealand, sleeping in a car, trailer in Iraq, tent in Afghanistan, random tiny apartment, hotel, airport lounge, 5 star hotel suite, villa, etc. are all not that different) as long as I have Internet.
I'm currently looking at getting a (50-80', solar, nice) sailing catamaran in a few years and doing RTW trips on it.
Possibly a dumb question but can an individual person even pilot a boat this large?
80' is absolutely full time paid captain, full time paid mate (potentially engineering or water toy support), and a steward/also mate-when-needed. If it's being used fully, probably need 2-3 other crew for rotation, and potentially would go 3+1 for a heavily chartered 80'. The paid captain at 80' is not merely for driving the boat but also the management of staff, maintenance scheduling, charter management, etc.
80'/24m is also where the commercial regs come into play (which I'd probably be trying to meet anyway), and 80' cat is already going to have a hard time with marinas in a lot of places (due to being wide, as well as long), but due to solar + good watermatermakers + excellent tenders, could probably operate at anchor far more than otherwise.
I'd probably do the "Boat DAO" model with the 80' and have 4-6 rentable cabins (not true retail, but within friend network, etc, and more particular when I'm using it). This is the specific boat I want: https://sunreef-yachts.com/en/launched/sunreef-80-eco-141/ (although by the time I'm in a position to order, and wait 2-3 years for production, there may be something better, and I'm hoping Starlink, lithium-ion batteries, etc. continue to improve -- mainly from a cost and maintainability perspective.)
Part of my motivation is that some of my friends are doing a lot of Seasteading related stuff and I'd want a boat to be able to visit/stay during some of those events using fixed platforms.
Would probably run Caribbean (where I live) from mid-NOV to mid-MAY (hurricane season avoidance), and then summer in Med, for at least a year or two, then do 2-3 year RTW journey once or twice. My plan would be to personally occupy it ~3 months out of the year at least, and to be able to charter entire boat or individual cabins for enough to defray most of the operating costs if successful. Spending the next couple years getting familiar with sailing around the Caribbean as well as obviously earning more money to be able to afford this ($3-10mm capex, 10-20%/yr of that also total operating budget, although some fraction comes back as earnings). I think I could realistically crowdfund/investment contract ~50-75% of this as well if the business model works out, maybe through prepaid/discounted use. I might get a ~30' powerboat here in Puerto Rico since <41.5' can be lifted out of the water and put into a warehouse rack during hurricane season, and powerboats are far more useful for day and 1-3 day trips around here due to currents/winds. Something able to get to Vieques/Culebra/Culebrita and maybe to USVI or even BVI.
From where I'm standing (about six hours drive from the Hutt River), Sealand looked way more successful, with some actual court recognition it was outside of UK jurisdiction at various points.
That’s certainly an amusing way of looking at it!
Liberland was never an attempt at building an actual state, it was just a scam meant to generate PR and extract money out of gullible suckers willing to buy a citizenship of a nonexistent state. Liberland's claimed territory (Gornja Siga) is not exceedingly inhabitable, given that the Danube floods it with water multiple meters deep every so often. And their terra nullius story is a lie, as there was never a chance the existing states that manage Gornja Siga would allow for a rogue state to form.
The other thing is that the Liberland project was only announced in 2015, which doesn't fit your timeframe if I get you right.
This is considered a sovereign entity without any territory. They do have money, assets and people though. As far as I'm aware, this is the only country without any territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_Ma...
History is incredible.
It's all about licensing and social norms in the end.
Bir Tawil and the Danube pockets are claimed, it's just that the border disputes mean that both parties argue it's the other side's claim; should the border dispute get resolved, there will be a clear owner of the land.
Also, if anything valuable is discovered or built there, Egypt and Sudan can settle their claims. Most likely is Egypt taking Halaib and Sudan have Bir Tawil, but could go the other way. Or Egypt could take both by force.
Makes the "sovereign citizens" look well-adjusted.
My understanding is the local council gave them a bit of cover because it became a bit of a tourist destination in an area the wasn't seeing much activity.
> It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer -
> (1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or
> (2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
Until tested in a court of law.
I searched the quoted phrase (with quotation marks) on Kagi, DDG and Google and found literally no results other than this website. Which is actually quite impressive.
These people may have been raving loons.
> https://www.alrc.gov.au/publication/traditional-rights-and-f...
There is no right to secede or otherwise unilaterally decide what the remedy for this claim is, but the idea that a tort was committed and the authorities were liable seems like the least crazy idea here.
He was a farmer with a very large property and a full field of crops ready to harvest but the law was changed and demanded he only sell 2% of it at a price they set, indefinitely, the rest to be burned, making his property now worthless and farming unviable. This was solely done to protect some wealthy friends of the government.
I'm not saying he's a bit off the deep end, but the circumstances that led to it are completely rational in my opinion.
Principality of Hutt River - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38691016 - Dec 2023 (1 comment)
Principality of Hutt River - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7986300 - July 2014 (1 comment)
Principality of Hutt River - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5858756 - June 2013 (10 comments)
Hutt River has been a media curiosity for decades in Australia, Prince Leonard would get trotted out every couple of years on a slow news week. Sad to learn of his passing.
Succeeded by: Australia
Today part of: Australia”
Someone had fun writing that.
Homepage > Defence Forces > Military College > School of Artillery > After Action Reports
Now the land is sold I wonder what happens with their UN country status.
Did Prince Leonard spin you a yarn? I never quite got there, which is a shame. Though looking a the map I drove past quite a few times.
What should I look out for?
Any great resources to learn about?
Best/Easiest way to make this feasible?
What should I look out for?
1. Raise an army.
2. Take the land from its existing inhabitants.
3. Attempt to paint this action in the light of sovereignty rather than terrorism or just plain banditry.
4. Defend the land against the existing nation state(s) wishing to reclaim it.
5. Attempt to get recognition from other nations.
For instance, going back to the "about the size of Singapore" example, OP might try to find a nice perch next to some critical strait, and sink any vessel that passes through which is registered in a country that doesn't recognise them. But if OP gets too good at this, then the US Navy will be upset and start shooting their weaponry at OP. If OP manages to sink a few of USN's vessels, it's possible USN will say "well we will stop shooting you if you let through our vessels", but I wouldn't hold my breath.
It's probably just cheaper and easier to marry into a royal family from some small country that whose royals still have a political power, like Brunei or Liechtenstein, then secretly start a secret murdering spree until your newborn is the only royal left and they offer to make you regent, then launch a self-coup against your own six month old.
I am not that kind of vibe. I was wondering if you could just legitimately purchase some land from a country will to sell, then establish sovereignty?
Once you have a large enough following for some reason (and ideally a fairly committed one; IDK if "follows someone on YouTube, like MrBeast" is enough -- has to be more like "my favorite musician/artist" or "business idol" or something), the rest is comparatively easy. You could pay people for all the stuff.
Basically the five routes today are: 1) Network State (stuff less than a state at start, ground up) 2) Negotiating with an existing state (free trade zone with more autonomy) 3) Seasteading (mostly an engineering and capital problem) 4) Space (also an engineering and capital problem) 5) Military conquest. Over the past ~70 years the last option didn't really exist, but increasingly it probably could work in some very specific locations, especially if you can find a fig leaf of "this local guy actually needs to be in power, not the guy in power now".
“the UN voted about this other self governing region with overlapping boundaries as ours! since when is that a country, here’s an old map! no not that map, this one that I like! My argument also requires me to pretend that new national identities haven't come into existence over the last 75 years anywhere else either!”
*Sure they had help
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beersheba_(1917)
https://www.awmlondon.gov.au/battles/beersheba
https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/the-charge-of-the-4th-l...
One of the biggest functions of the state is to try to have a monopoly on violence and to use up to lethal force to enforce its will within its borders (or if are the US, even outside its borders).
If they can do that they are a state. If not, they are a pretender
It's clear that the abolition of the death penalty isn't actually all that relevant to this scenario. We can still judge whether or not shrx was the sovereign of his territory or not.