Tennessee after-school Satan club holds first meeting despite protests
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I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I really like this club and would consider sending my kids there.
‘the Satanic Temple was a non-theistic religion that views Satan as “a literary figure who represents a metaphorical construct of rejecting tyranny and championing the human mind and spirit”.
“After School Satan Club does not attempt to convert children to any religious ideology. Instead, the Satanic Temple supports children to think for themselves. All After School Satan Clubs … emphasize a scientific, rationalist, non-superstitious world view,” ‘
The satanic temple was created specifically to counteract the damaging effects of organized religion. I see nothing objectionable in what they do. I’d have joined it as a kid (once i figured out what they were about). I’d have no problem sending my kid to a club that supports thinking for yourself and a scientific and rationalist approach to life.
Keep in mind that the satanic temple does not believe in the literal existence of satan.
Which, is not the type of organization that puts it's obligation to after school activities at the top of it's list, and I'm not sure it's beneficial for anyone other than like minded ideologues who would rather engage in intentionally pugnacious protests rather than in any remedial civil actions.
Finally, what action are they protesting exactly? That a public building is being used by religions organizations in an after school setting? Are students being forced to participate in any way? So, why then involve the students in your federal funding protest? The whole thing seems gaudy and desperate for attention.
>while intentionally being repugnant
Are you sure you looked at the Wiki for The Satanic Temple, and not some other Satanic organization?
>Finally, what action are they protesting exactly? That a public building is being used by religions organizations in an after school setting?
Almost, but not quite. In this case, it is the fact that only certain religions were/are being allowed in a public building but not other religions.
They also protest and litigate against corporal punishment for children and in favor of reproductive rights, among other things.
Quite literally, the first paragraph of their "History" section on wikipedia.
> Almost, but not quite. In this case, it is the fact that only certain religions were/are being allowed in a public building but not other religions.
That's the article I'd rather read. Do you happen to know of one that highlights this fact? I looked, but couldn't find any direct connection between a State action and this response.
> They also protest and litigate against corporal punishment for children and reproductive rights, among other things.
So do a lot of organizations that aren't trying to start after school programs, which was the thrust of my point, are the children legitimately being served by this or being used by this?
>That's the article I'd rather read. Do you happen to know of one that highlights this fact?
You can read their legal proceedings at [1]. Advocacy at [2].
From [3] there is "It was created as an alternative to Christian-based after-school groups, specifically at schools that host the Evangelical Good News Club. The program neither teaches about Satanism nor attempts to convert club-goers; they instead teach about rationalism and understanding the world around us".
From [4], "The Satanic Temple has said it would prefer to exclude religious teachings altogether from school sites, but feels compelled to establish after-school programs to provide an alternative to Christian teachings."
[5] is an example of them being rejected from The Los Angeles Unified School District despite the district having a Christian religious club.
>So do a lot of organizations that aren't trying to start after school programs
As seen above, and elsewhere, they start after-school programs in schools which have Christian after-school programs, not simply wherever they can. The purpose of the clubs, where they exist, is to promote and teach rationalism.
>are the children legitimately being served by this or being used by this?
Considering they are basically a rational thinking club, I believe that children are legitimately being served by the existence of the club where it exists as an alternative to Christian clubs.
[1] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/legal-action [2] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/advocacy-archives [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_School_Satan [4] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-school-satan-satanic-temp... [5] https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-satanic-after-school-20...
Really? I can't find that in the Wikipedia page [1]. Perhaps you would share exactly which part says that?
The Satanic Temple was founded in 2013, and rejects many of the beliefs of other Satanic organizations. To see their differences from The Church of Satan, see [1].
I would encourage anyone remotely interested (positively or negatively) to read through their FAQ[2], and if you have the time, to peruse some of their recommended readings[3].
[1] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satani...
[2] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
[3] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/the-satanic-temple-librar...
But then they choose a weird mascot. Satan as a metaphor for the rebel is drowned by the other metaphors, like the ultimate evil, the liar who corrupts you, who will happily look nice and friendly if that's what is needed for the job. Especially if you then insist you don't believe in any supernatural, Satan included.
It's a bit like an art movement in Hitler's name, insisting it's nothing to do with Nazism, and only his painting style.
If you want to preach kindness and rational words thinking, but your symbol is a ram's head in a pentagram, then you can't be surprised people are terrified.
I have no personal experience with this organization.
But then, American debate in religion is weird from all angles so what do I know.
And the people protesting the club can't have that, can they?
I can't remember if there was or wasn't bacon back then, owing to vegetarian diet I never asked about the meats.
In the real world, they’re criticised for serving carcinogenic bacon (https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/02/thousands-...), meanwhile in the imagination of weird internet people they have banned bacon.
Different countries, different social problems, different styles of bigots, and different solutions.
Today there are on the order of a 100 or so committed Satanists in the UK according to:
Journal of Contemporary Religion: Satanism in Britain today (1995) - Graham Harvey
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/1353790950858074...
https://sci-hub.ru/10.1080/13537909508580747
This paper discusses the views and activities of self‐identified Satanists in Britain, especially the Temple of Set, the Church of Satan, the Order of the Nine Angles and Dark Lily. It also comments on ad hoc, adolescent and multi‐generational Satanism.
Satanism is a series of techniques for allowing individuals to affirm, develop and express themselves, and to do what they wish to do in the context of a spirituality.
It does not require belief in the Satan of the Christian pantheon although thriving on the sinister image and the hostility it can evoke in Christians and the media.
Satanism is an adversarial form of self‐religion.
... There are Satanists in Britain.
There are six groups who between them have less than 100 members.
There are more people who read Satanist magazines or have bought books by Satanists, e.g. Anton LaVey's
Satanic Bible (1969). Again they are few in number compared to the scare-estimate.
A larger number of people—some adolescents—name themselves Satanists, but belong to no formal or organised Satanist group.Both papers linked are prior to 2013.
See https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satani...
Those religious signs are priceless:
- There is power in the blood of Jesus
- There is room at the cross.
- The wages of sin is death
- Schools in the name of Jesus
It sounds like Christians trying as hard as they can to control the general population. Sounds like Tyranny.
"This fight is between God and the satanic club, and God’s going to bring it down"
So many wars have been fought in the name of god, and strangely many of them have been lost.
I love the irony that the club only practices at schools which already have a religious club. You really cannot object to other religions holding attendance while yours continues.
The more students actually think critically the more they realize that all religions are ridiculous. We just have to make the most of a positive life in a society in this material existence. People can be moral without the threat of a magical entity "with a big stick."