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US transportation grounds Boeing 737 MAX 9

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65 pointsManozco26 comments

Editorialized title makes it sound like this is a new action. The grounding previously happened. The true title “US transportation head says no grounded Boeing 737 Max 9 planes will return to air ‘until it is safe’” reflects the new news, which is simply a quote from Pete Buttigieg.

This debacle is so emblematically painful and representative of everything many critics have been saying about US industry for decades.

Boeing should develop a 737 MAX 9 "Fuselage Integrity Edition"TM. For a premium price, the walls will no longer spontaneously turn into points of egress. This is an incredible marketing opportunity!

I’m terrified of having to fly in the 737 max again… Unfortunately I have little recourse.

A relevant parody, "The front fell off"

https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM

I bet Boeing took it as training material.

Where is the parody website that teaching basics of nuts & bolts and how to tighten them ?

Enshitification continues

The plane is a lemon. Boeing would do well to admit this and build a next-gen plane so good it would take business from Airbus. Just wait till the next iteration of the Chinese airliner.

Pilots would need to be trained on the Chinese planes, which is super expensive.

What makes you think that the Chinese aircraft industry will not offer free pilot training and dumping prices to take over the market? If allowed will happen, have no doubt about it.

We as passengers will suffer it, costs over safety. have no doubt about it

China industry works as one entity, backed by the state. The model is to enter the markets and to dump the prices until the established industries are knocked down, and finish with a Chinese company buying the broken ones (when the different governments allows it, what not always happens).

Hawuei and ZTE was selling equipment at lower prices than manufacturing costs, and subsidizing antennas. In 2012 it was started to be investigated in the European Union, and finally was banned due 5G networks and the recent espionage suspicions.

Returning to aircrafts, the recent scandal involving fake parts for engines that was being sold by AOG Technics[1]. In no articles I read about the matter it is investigated, so it is an imagination exercise, but, Where do you think these pieces were made?

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/airline-scandal-...

> China industry works as one entity, backed by the state.

That's effectively how every large industry in every country acts.

Chinese write blank checks. Activate spy to do economic spying. Redirect universities graduate to support their airlines. Which countries other than China is doing that? Airbus in France? UK? USA? Couldnt even settle student loan frogiveness let alone getting liberal arts to work with Boeing. Boeing is basically Solyndra the future in the making.

Pilots always need training.

We as consumers should put some blame on the airlines too for always wishing to skimp on training and thus giving perverse incentives to Boeing to mess around with crap like MCAS.

I still think Boeing is to blame for the MAX issues in the end but the problem is systemic.

The previous ceo gutted their safety culture to bare minimum the plane still able to achieve flight. Anything else is a cost that hinder his bonus. I really wish wistleblowers willing to leak out the risk-cost assessment excel spreadsheet that rumor to exist a decade. Not only MAX, their older models which still in production also have very lax production supervision I read in one of the article back when their MAX planes crashed.

This has nothing to do with this plane.

This plane just happened to have the failure.

Just weeks before they had issued a warning about loose bolts on the Max8 rudder. Could have easily been an accident there and then we would be talking about the 8 instead of the 9.

Loose nuts and bolts, missing washers, extra parts, machines that can't assemble the planes properly .. this is not an isolated incident to any particular plane, it is a pattern of behavior across their entire product line.

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