Comment by amne | Hacker News Reader

Comment by amne | Hacker News Reader

I don't think he touched the scroll wheel in the keynote. Why is it there? What does it do? I found it awkward he scrolled by touching the screen across the damn scroll wheel. Just use it. At least in the keynote.

And then there are so many questions about the hardware capabilities of this device:

- where is the inference running? I don't believe it's on the device. And if it's in the cloud then why make the claim it is under 500ms? Is that just a "don't you guys have low-latency 4g at home?" moment?

- how is that tiny camera capable of parsing a small-text table with 100% accuracy? the optics just don't allow it to.

- what's the battery life with that kind of usage? If inference is running on device it must be very low. Just thinking that my GPU pulls 50-100W on average (with spikes to 200W) just to suggest code I still don't think rabbit is doing anything on device. If it's cloud based then 4g is also a battery destroyer. Maybe that's why the device is so big: huge battery inside.

The "teach" session was definitely cool. But at this point it must be magic because there's no way that thing browsed to a discord server, authenticated with hallucinated credentials and it just worked.

From > rabbit OS operates apps on our secured cloud, so you don’t have to. Log into the apps you’d like rabbit to use on your system through the rabbit hole to relay control. You only need to do this once per app.

it seems that this device doesn't run anything locally, everything is in the cloud.

It would be far easier to do the same things with an app and ask for a fraction of the price

probably done with an app for a multiplication of the revenue

And then immediately be squashed by the Apple App Store.

The answer is absolutely to do these types of products on the devices we already own. There is only one thing stopping this type of innovation and experimentation.

I know it's not a popular choice, but wouldn't a PWA on iOS work fine for Rabbit's use-case?

There’s something about eliminating the friction of calling up the assistant. For example, I’m not using Google Assistant on my iDevice because I need to go unlock the device. It’s really a system level issue.

People keep saying this but having to go through the Apple lock screen for every interaction would mean it never even gets used at all.

Not sure if the Rabbit device is the answer but I definitely see why people are trying.

I have the "two back tap" accessibility feature setup to start chat gpt voice. It works great. I just two back tap and look at the phone and its ready to start listening.

I tried that back tap thing, surprised how poorly it worked to be honest maybe there is a knack to it.

Thing is these AI devices will become actually interesting when they start being observers in your life too and pre-empting rather than the siri style ask and response and that just isn't possible on a locked down OS like iOS.

My really old LG android had a wake on doubletap screen. Worked really well. All newer phones have failed misserably or completely missed the function. Still miss it, was much more responsive than any new phone I bought.

> it seems that this device doesn't run anything locally, everything is in the cloud.

For apps w/o a web interface, presumably they have an Android emulator running somewhere and they controlling it with their LAM and feeding the results back to end users. They can even feed sensor data from the Rabbit phone (e.g. GPS) to the emulator.

It is a brilliant solution to the problems they are facing, but their cost model must be extreme. "No subscription required" means I am wondering what their "pay as you go" pricing will be!

You will pay with your data. Read their privacy policy. They can track you, collect your private data, they have access to your accounts. As long as it's closed source and cannot be self-hosted, it's a big no-no.

>I don't think he touched the scroll wheel in the keynote. Why is it there?

Same vibe as Humane not using the projector for almost anything and then explicitly saying "You dont have to use it" in an interview. Like why add it then

Potentially the wheel isn't yet functional? Not sure there are off the shelf parts that fits.

It's using a Mediatek Helio P35, a SoC from 2018. It's slower than an iPhone 6S.

There's no 5G support either, unless they've purchased an external modem. So even if you do live in an area with low-latency 5G, you aren't gonna get it.

I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be running just a cheap Android fork that's locked in kiosk mode with a single app (or webapp).

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