Of course, I got a new message from them yesterday because they've added a dozen different lists since then and automatically opted everyone into them.
I paid some company to do my email.
I email 3 times per year and get 'spam' warnings from AWS every time despite everyone subscribing through a: "SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER"
No bait, just an email field and submit.
I wonder if its your type that makes it so I have to be Amazon for forgiveness. Or at least that is how it used to be, now I sell addicting clicking casino games. No emails needed. I make way more money than back when I was giving away free content via email.
The new requirement specifically sidesteps this, by making it possible for the email client to send a POST request directly. No need to visit the website at all; just click a button in the email client. In Gmail, senders that have this implemented now have a big blue UNSUBSCRIBE button next to their email address at the top of the message.
It’s only the worst spam stuff that doesn’t. The obvious scam stuff sent to any email address they can find, containing every language I don’t speak, with lots of bad obfuscation to stop keyword scanners from 2002.
There's the fly in the ointment. "Legitimate" shades off very slowly into bottom feeding Sanford Wallace-ass spamming. The temptation to become worse and worse is real, economics favor spamming, as it externalizes advertising costs. Until the torches and pitchforks come out.
- Docker Newsletter: `List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:redacted@unsub-sj.mktomail.com>` - but missing http post/one-click header
- Java Weekly: link in body but no header Expensify: compliant
- Gradle: compliant
- Confluence Digest: No unsubscribe header
- Apache Mailing Lists: mailto header, but missing required http post / one-click
I think the confusion is that it's not just having a link, it's a specific set of headers, dkim signed fields, and form response that allows a mail client to unsubscribe with no user interaction.
- adding a new member to the list requires a vote of approval of the existing members. bob apparently unsubscribed last week and now he wants to resubscribe. can we take a vote on whether to let him back in or not?
- when someone who isn't a member of the list attempts to post to it, we add their domain to the spam blacklist and report them to vipul's razor. hmm, weird that bob.example.com is on our spam blacklist, how could that happen?
- bob, i'm afraid i have to write you up for having violated the new company policy i posted to the policy-announce-important list last week. well, if you didn't read it, that's your problem
Hey, if this reduces the number of people who successfully unsubscribe, don't blame me, I'm just over here trying to make sure things are secure!
Don't want these marketing emails? Unsubscribe here.
Oh, you need to login in order to do that.
No, that's the wrong password for your account. Forgot password?
Hm, we don't see your account existing. Probably a different email address?
... sigh... sent a couple of emails to the data protection contact listed, but after 5 years, I still get the emails and I occasionally try to login again.
So I just automatically mark it as spam every time.
But probably because they're a small provider and don't have the resources; this is the largest telecommunications provider in Germany.
"You can’t [...] make the recipient take any step other than sending a reply email or visiting a single page on an Internet website as a condition for honoring an opt-out request."
also, according to that page, the can-spam act only applies to 'any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service', not to mailing lists
I have not seen such an unsubscribe flow in more than a decade, at this point. I assume you're thinking of mailman or some other similar solution that was already dated two decades ago, let alone now.
it is understandable that people who are not familiar with a cultural practice might seek to marginalize it, but that does not make it right
i don't really care about making life easier for people who send email advertisements (a cultural practice i am sadly all too familiar with) but i think discussion email lists are important and valuable, even if you personally don't participate in them
Surely that is a bug in the email client that forwarded the email. It should have replaced the headers, including List-Unsubscribe, with its own.
That looks to be what's happened in the emails I receive. The one exception would be if someone forwarded an email as an attachment, but in practice almost no one does that.
In GMail I believe senders that have this implemented now have a big blue UNSUBSCRIBE button next to their email address at the top of the message.
Neither appear if the headers aren't there.
How can one click unsubscribe work here? Mail scanners, virus scanners and even Microsoft's own spam filters would probably click these links!
A 2 page overview is here: https://certified-senders.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/CSA...
The article gets it wrong. They imply that emails have to have one-click unsubscribe links, which isn't true. Emails need to include headers (described in your link,) which the mail client can use.