I work for Google Search. Apologies for this! It’s been fixed now and posted to our search status dashboard https://status.search.google.com/incidents/hySMmncEDZ7Xpaf9i...
In IOS 14 ‘ login’ button simply does nothing regardless of the browser.
It’s been reported and yet last time I’ve checked it doesn’t work. It’s more than two months already and as it seems simply no body give a sh….
If you're talking about Google's homepage, the answer is "a lot". You can check for yourself - go to google.com, select "view source" and compare the amount of Closure-compiled JavaScript against HTML markup.
> Google's primary web search feature could, in theory, be implemented without a line of JavaScript
...and yet, in practice, Google defaults to a JavaScript-heavy implementation. Search is Google's raison d'être and primary revenue driver, I posit it therefore is optimized up the wazoo. I wouldn't hastily assume incompence given those priors.
Google homepage is 2MB. Two fucking megabytes. Without JS, it's 200K.
I can't be the only person who remembers when Google was known for even omitting technically optional html tags on their homepage, to make it load fast - they even documented this as a formal suggestion: https://google.github.io/styleguide/htmlcssguide.html#Option...
This was back when a large fraction of search users were on 56k modems. Advances in broadband connectivity, caching, browser rendering, resource loading scheduling, and front-end engineering practices may result in the non-intuitive scenario where the 2MB Google homepage in 2024 has the same (or better!) 99-percentile First-Meaningful-Paint time as a stripped-down 2kb homepage in 2006.
The homepage size is no longer that important because how much time do you save by shrinking a page from 2MB to 300kb on a 50mbps connection with a warm cache?Browser cache sizes are much larger than they were 10 years ago (thanks to growth in client storage). After all, page weight is mostly used as a proxy for loading time.
Either performance is so critical that a few kb to do feature detection is too much, or line performance has improved so much that 2MB of JavaScript for a text box and two buttons is "acceptable".
You can't have it both ways.
Your argument goes against empirical evidence in this instance. You can have it "both ways" when client-side feature detection is the slower choice on high bandwidth connections and you want to consistently render the UI within 200ms.
Performance goes beyond raw bandwidth, and as with all things engineering, involves tradeoffs: client-side feature detection has higher latency (server-client-server round trip and network connection overheads) and is therefore unsuitable for logic that executes before the first render of above-the-fold content. All of this is pragmatic, well-known and not controversial among people who work on optimizing FE performance. Your no-serverside-detection absolutism is disproved by the many instances of UA-string parsing in our present reality.
By your logic, because McDonalds is popular, it must be a healthy choice then.
- We're on the verge of another browser monopoly, cheered on by developers embracing the single controlling vendor;
- We already have sites declaring that they "work best in Chrome" when what they really mean is "we only bothered to test in Chrome".
- People are not only using UA sniffing with inevitable disastrous results, they're proclaiming loudly that it's both necessary and "the best" solution.
- The amount of unnecessary JavaScript is truly gargantuan, because how else are you going to pad your resume?
I mean really what's next?
Are we going to start adopting image slice layouts again because browsers gained machine vision capabilities?
Two, it was an accessibility nightmare.
At least modern grid design fix those
Since you're replying to my comment and paraphrasing a sentence of mine, I'm guessing I'm "people".
I'm curious to hear from you on what - if any - is a better alternative that can be used to determine the browser identity or characteristics (implied by name and version) on the server side? "Do not detect the browser on the server side" is not a valid answer; and suggests to me the person proffering it as an answer isn't familiar with large-scale development of performant web-apps or websites for heterogenous browsers. A lot of browser inconsistencies have to be papered over (e.g. with polyfills or alternative algorithms implementations), without shipping unnecessary code to browsers that don't need the additional code. If you have a technique faster and/or better that UA sniffing on the server side, I'll be happy to learn from you.
"Do feature JavaScript feature detection on the client" is terrible for performance if you're using it to dynamically load scripts on the critical path.
It's not amateurish to have problems. It is amateurish (or malicious) to have problems caused by this specific class of issue.