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Which Airlines Are Not Flying the Boeing 737 Max?

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With all the knowledge we have now, the next Max "accident" should take carrier CEOs to jail and bankrupt the carrier.

Just go to this page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_...

Then sort by "Total Deliveries" Column.

You'll get a list of airlines that have taken delivery of the Max. (an inverse list)

Southwest 187 United Air 136 Ryanair 124 Alaska 63 American 55 Aeromexico 51 Flydubai 49 Air canada 40 Copa Airlines 26 Turkish Airlines 25 WestJet 23 Lion Air 22 Akasa Air 20 Norwegin Air 18 Air China 16 China Southern 16 China Eastern 14 Ethiopiean Airlines 13 SpiceJet 13 Singapore Airlines 10

etc.

A few years ago, I happened fly on Southwest flight on a brand spanking new 737 Max. The captain announced that it was the first "Revenue Flight" of the plane. That was exciting.

Be careful that data doesn't say what you think it does. Southwest for example has the most MAX orders (being the launch partner for the airframe), but only uses MAX 8 and has only MAX 7/8 on order. They don't fly the MAX 9 at all.

Because of the long lead time for aircraft and financial commitment, many airlines will place large orders and take delivery of aircraft that they then turn around and sell or lease.

Is the model number relevant because 7s, 8s, and 9s have different MCAS, the system that Boeing deleted from the flight manual that contributed to the catastrophes in 2018 and 2019?

Or because the defect in engine inlets and anti-ice systems that can cause the engine housing to overheat and break off during flight, for which Boeing requested an exemption to postpone fixes, is different for each model number?

Or because each model has different pressurization systems and warning lights, that Alaska Airlines "reset" to turn off the light so they could continue to fly, instead of thoroughly investigating and resolving?

Or because not all the models have the same door plug with a loose bolt that blew out?

How much is common among all Max models, and why shouldn't the public be concerned about all variants of them?

All Max have tarnished reputation now, especially in light of this max 9 variant having this issue.

Interestingly, the sealed door only relies on a bunch of bolts to hold it against cabin pressure.

https://twitter.com/NTSB_Newsroom/status/1744202059870831016...

What should it use?

The model number is very relevant because MAX9 is currently grounded. If you are trying to figure out how it impacts your upcoming travel plans (seemingly the point of the original submission) then simply looking at "MAX" is not super useful.

I'm less interested in how the incident du jour affects travel plans.

I'm more interested in the continuing drumbeat of engineering failures, quality control lapses, apparent corner cutting and evasion of regulation that affect various Max models.

If I have a choice, I'll choose an airline that doesn't have any Max planes in their fleet.

The article only mentioned 737 Max. By now, I'm sure many would want the full Max list given its spotty track record.

If you want airlines that are flying 737 Max 9, there aren't many. And you can get that list here.

https://www.planespotters.net/aircraft/production/boeing-737...

Lion Air

Thai Lion Air

United Airlines

Copa Airlines

FlyDubai

Icelandair

Turkish Airlines

Aeromexico

Alaska Airlines

SCAT airlines

And all US carriers + Turkish Air + Aeromexico have grounded it.

I have to say I am not a big fan of the 737. At this point, the A320 family feels more comfortable and quieter than the MAXes I've flown in.

I also have a bitter disappointment with a MAX, where I ordered a window seat that ended next to a deactivated door, with a cover panel with no window at all (at least the plug of death has a window).

Safety issues aside... People say there's an inch here, a few decibels there, but after some time in both the experience in the MAX and the A32X are about the same to me. Both are crowded in economy, and both are loud if you sit in the back. I like the Embraer E-jets for short hops when there's a choice.

I brought this up in another thread, but the floor level is a couple inches lower in the A320 series so the plane feels larger because you (both figuratively and literally) have more headroom, which I personally greatly enjoy.

Legroom is much more important than headroom.

As a passenger I'd love both, thank you. I do find it annoying to have to walk down the center stooped over or with my head turned sideways in smaller planes. I'm not even unusually tall--only 190 cm.

But yes, I do value legroom more than headroom. They don't, however, trade against each other.

You must not be tall, it's a pain to have to turn your head parallel to the ceiling every time you get up

Aren't you sitting down 99.99% of the time and standing up 0.01% of the time? How isn't leg room the hugely primary concern over the ability to stand up?

On a 737, most short people have to as well. I don't really see how any narrow-body could be outfitted 6 seats wide and allow tall people to stand up straight at their seat, and still retain overhead compartments.

+1 . Specifically the SW airlines ones don't allow for me to type on my laptop comfortable, while the other planes in their fleet do. Between that, and the increase in boarding/sitting on tarmac times, I've been avoiding flying and trying to vacation in places I can drive to.

You can't type comfortably on the 737 MAX but you can on the 737 NG? What's the difference in comfort?

Seat configurations probably. They have a team of people that work on tweaking seating configs to allow more seats. Take away 1/2" per row for 100 rows, and you now have 50" of "new" space. Remove X inches in width per seat and Y inches from the aisle(s), and you suddenly get 1 additional set per row. I don't know what actual numbers are, but that's how they play with it.

There is a place in hell reserved for them.

Sadly, replacing the seats for ever thinner ones is much more costly than crushing my legs in economy. Or economy "plus", which is not much better.

I don’t know if it’s a difference between the models or just configuration but I had 2 SWA flights last week. The first was in a MAX with SWA’s newer configuration and seats with very short tray tables. The second flight was on a 738 that had the older leather seats and much deeper tray table. Again unsure if it’s just that the 738 is incompatible with the new seats or they just haven’t updated it yet.

I thought airplane interiors are outfitted for the specific airline. So your issue is with the tray table in a SW 737-MAX-7?/8?/9?, not the MAX in general.

The A320s do seem bigger now that you mention it. On the other hand, I do really enjoy the blue ambient light in the 737 - can’t really explain why, but it’s comforting.

just like the the anti drug injecting lighting of the cinema toilets

The SEO force is strong with this one, otherwise this could have been a simple 2 column table.

+1, it's not even factually accurate?

Alaska's not in the bulleted list, and yet Delta is, but it doesn't have / fly 737 Max 9s?

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-airport-blog/delta-does-not...

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At the rate AI is improving it won't be long before we ask if a human wrote the spam.

Surely an AI wrote this one though! /s