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As a rule, if the security feature creates even the slightest bit of inconvenience when using the device, you can bet your bippy that about half the user population will turn said feature off.

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Some people install dumny seat belt defeat devices.

Or ride with the damn bell ringing the whole time.

I have a co worker who I won't ride with anymore simply because of that.

Would it help if in addition to the bell ringing, cars would start to let out some very nasty odour? Could help with the deaf and the noise ignorant.

Or maybe a speed limiter. You can’t go over 25mph until the seatbelt is fastened. That would let people move a car in the driveway or something minor, but force them to buckle to get on most roads.

There was a death at 20mph around our area though, because of no seatbelt. It was specifically shown at the course to attain the driver's license.

How fast was the other car going?

It was also a choice; life is full of risks, having stuff (or even worse, other people) decide for me which I should prioritize drives me bonkers.

The same person who's super disciplined about seat belts likely takes other risks that another person would deem at least as serious.

Having an optional reminder feature is great; forcing it, not so much.

Unfortunately, not wearing a seat belt isn't a risk borne just by the one in the seat. There have been cases of people flying out of their window and battering someone with their body due to not wearing a seat belt. Of course, everything carries a risk of harm to someone else, its a matter of where to draw the line.

Yeah, but these are people in the same car who are very likely in agreement about whatever risks.

You misunderstand, its the person in the car you hit that would be knocked by the flying driver.

Really, that's the risk you're telling yourself you're preventing by bossing other people around?

We already legally force it in almost every state on public roads because it's not about you, it's about everybody else minding their own business getting killed by your choices.

Doesn't take much FOD on the highway for your unbuckled body to slam into something and now you have a driverless vehicle. Also every else in your car should be bucked too so you're not bumping noggins.

I find this line of reasoning extremely far fetched.

Is this how far you're willing to go to boss other people around to fit your preferences?

You find the reasoning behind the laws we've enacted far fetched.

Or is it just the job of the survivors or your bullshit to sue your estate into non-existence?

Limiting speed (below highway speeds) can be incredibly dangerous. Not being able to merge at speed is a non starter.

This is a non issue if putting on the seat belt fixes it.

See, now you're using the seat belt as an excuse to not avoid other risks.

Avoiding a car crash in the first place would definitely be the better alternative.

Are you a teenager, because this line thinking crosses into the territory of "I don't need a seatbelt, I'd just use my arms to stop my ass from getting flung out of the window, while having zero clue how physics works.

Do you think of the 6 million police reported auto crashes in 2022 (in the US if you're not from here) that most if not all the people involved would have rather not been in an accident in the first place?

I always put my seatbelt (feel naked without it), but I deactivated the ringing in my car, otherwise it's annoying if you have a bag on the passenger seat.

Sir, mother in laws should be spoken of with more respect.

I don't keep anything useful on my phone, there's no reason for me to lock it and every reason not to.

It’s definitely due to either abject stupidity or a lack of understanding. Some people just can’t technology

A more charitable take: they've decided to risk of theft/loss isn't worth the inconvenience.

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