> you were the one who brought up dijkstra
Merely to show the group of "the greats" in which i included Boehm. But we are not discussing his works here.
> i read all these process guys back in the 90s: boehm, yourdon, mills, weinberg, beck.
I too have read the works of these folks in the early 90s. Their work is all in different domains and not all of them "Process". Beck most certainly does not belong in this group. FYI, i was introduced to XP in 2000 at the company i worked for in Austin, Texas when they got Kent Beck himself to come in and teach us this new fangled concept called "Extreme Programming". I think i asked him about how he hoped to design and implement something like a OS with this "constant change" methodology; the answer was not satisfactory to say the least. Then of course the totally daft idea of forced "Pair Programming" which anybody who knew anything about Human Psychology/Organizational Behaviour would tell you is not workable unless the concerned people themselves seek it out. Nobody in the company practiced XP thereafter. If anybody is selling snake-oil it is the XP/Agile/Scrum proponents.
> i am dismissing boehm's work ... because decades of experience have shown most of it to be worthless
I am dismissing your dismissal of Boehm's work since through out this chain of comments you have not presented any evidence of any knowledge of Boehm's works. Do you know what is the COCOMO model and where it may/may not be applicable? Do you know what exactly is the Spiral Model and how to use it? I have pointed you to his distinguished career, awards earned and general standing in the industry and yet i have had no proof at all that you have read anything i pointed out. In short, you need to demonstrate competence with his work before anybody can take you at your word.
Finally, you also owe me an apology (though i have little hope that i would be getting one) for misrepresenting with malicious intent what i had said with your comments here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38905726 and here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38905477