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Web0 Manifesto

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web 1.0 was extremely decentralized. And now that everyone has fast connections everyone can easily host web 1.0 sites by installing nginx and putting html and files in directories and forwarding port 80 from their router. It's extremely low risk, no maintaince, low resource usage, and completely distributed. And it's okay if you shut down your computer and the webserver for days or weeks. Being up all the time is only a commercial requirement.

I think a real 'web0' like they're talking would be re-implementing Opera's good idea of integrating a working webserver that started up when you started your browser. Opera operated as a proxy for those hosted websites but that need not be the case.

I like it, but I'd probably put that on 443 with TLS. The threat model and attacks developed since web 1.0 have increased in complexity and sophistication and better to be safe than sorry.

As an option that's fine but it brings in a big dependency stack and lots of moving parts. acme2 might not look like it from the user end but internally there's a lot that's going on those acme programs are hiding. HTTP+HTTPS assures a site doesn't die just because of a cert renewal or CA problem (like LE's root cert expiring a couple years back, the switch from acme 1 to acme 2, your particular acme client having a dep that breaks on update, etc).

While commercial and institutional sites do have to operate with a different security model these days, human people not involved in monetary exchange or private information have the same requirements as ever. HTTPS is optional. A nice add-on but not vital. And definitely not HTTPS only if you want your site to last more than a few years without active manual mantainance.

You could also self sign - It's going to be grating for users, but your still afforded the protections against any hop on the path.

They're the small web, and it seems to be a very small manifesto. What exactly am I supposed to be signing in support of?

Signing would get your site added to the list. People want to distribute their website without relying on corporate-dominated SEO.

Your alternative to google is a list of websites?

> web0 is the decentralised web.

As opposed to which "centralized" web?

Also why is the website called small-web.org and not decentralized-web.org? Decentralized and small are two different things...

Gotta worry about the url being typeable.

I guess the kind of web centralized on google/amazon/azure/facebook, and a few others (cloudflare comes to mind)

The kind of web that Cory Doctorow describes as "five websites each containing screenshots of the other four".

These personal website directories are starting to pile up. Not a bad thing, but is there anything about this that couldn't be described as "personal website havers"?

What are some of those directories? I know exactly what you mean but (perhaps because it isn’t in Google’s interest) I can’t actually find any by searching for “small web directories” or other indie web terms.

Search for:

- Kagi Small Web

- ooh.directory

- RSS Club

to name a few.

(2022)

More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29767375

"web0 is web3 without all the corporate right-libertarian Silicon Valley bullshit."

So, building normal small websites like we've always done? I'm honestly struggling to see what's going on here other than a couple of devs blowing off political steam. The Kitten project [0] looks cool, but it's basically any small client-side stack unless I'm missing a really crucial piece.

[0] https://codeberg.org/kitten/app

Literally dozens maybe more of those links are all dead.

> corporate right-libertarian Silicon Valley bullshit

What the hell does that even refer to

You’ll know it when I see it.

Have you not read the techno-optimist manifesto?

Obviously in this context it refers to "blockchain, NFTS, metaverse".

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