Be Patient For TextMate 2 | Hacker News Reader

Be Patient For TextMate 2

cultofmac.com

26 pointsKevinBongart19 comments

Maybe TM users should think about creating an open source version. I personally tried TM and liked the general feeling of it, but I won't commit to an editor that (1) is not open source (2) is not multi-platform (3) is not vim :-)

http://grigio.org/textmate_gedit_few_steps

Emacs can do most of the things that TextMate is loved for, and then some:

http://platypope.org/yada/emacs-demo/

Some people seem to be investigating Emacs, from the world that had Textmate become popular! http://nubyonrails.com/articles/emacs-emacs

I've personally jumped to Vim. Mostly beacuse I do some sysadmin and now it's much less annoying editing config files, but also so I can jump from OS X and still be able to work.

emacs isn't too bad, but I gave up on the multi-major-mode stuff a few years back, it just doesn't compare to TextMate. TextMate still seems to do very well if the one file contains several languages (like an html template), but emacs under MMM doesn't fare well at all.

Try nxhtml if you haven't already. Its "better" than mmm for some uses.

What I really should do is figure out a way to open sections of text in their own buffer (and corresponding major mode) so that changes in that buffer would be reflected in the original selection.

Honestly, I'm so happy with TextMate v1 already that I don't really care how long TextMate v2.0 takes to get out.

You wouldn't be saying that if you did a lot of editing via network shares...

TM is awesome; I used it for years. However, it's quite ridiculous that at least as far back as 2006 folks were being led to believe TM 2 was "coming soon." At least the developer has now stated it'll be released "god knows when," but for commercial software I'm not sure if that's any better.

I suspect that people were being led to believe in 2006 that it was "coming soon" because Allan Odgaard really did believe at that point that it was coming soon.

I wasn't implying he was being dishonest. There have been approximately 1 million cases of me saying and believing that feature X or project Y would be done "this week" when it turned out to be more like "this month" or "next month". When you're off by three years at least, though, it's cause for reflection.

At this point I've basically given up trying to provide accurate ship estimates and I just say "It'll be done when it's done." The main differences between my work and TM are:

- Many people rely on TM for their day-to-day productivity.

- There are a (small) number of pretty nasty bugs / shortcomings that are essentially non-starters at this point if you encounter them.

- It's much harder to become highly proficient with an editor than a web app, making it more difficult to switch on a whim.

- TM is commercial software which assumes a certain level of continued evolution and support, unless otherwise noted up front.

Again, I think TM is an awesome editor and is more than capable for the majority of use cases. I just also happen to believe an update (okay, overhaul) is long over due.

Agreed. Despite its age, TextMate is still a cutting edge text editor, primarily because almost no-one has tried to innovate in the space lately (Coda excepted).

Textmate is one of the few applications where I am not eagerly anticipating the next release. The current version has everything I need.

I'm only eagerly awaiting it because I'm curious to see what additional awesomeness can be added in.

(Yes, yes, vim, emacs, ed, etc...)

He really really really needs to fix the project-wide search and replace that hangs textmate until it finishes.

I'm running bleeding edge and project-wide search is fast as shit now.. been that way for quite some while actually. I do remember those pains, however.

You can also look into a bundle called "search with awk" or something which uses awk instead and is much faster (cmd + shift + a, instead of cmd + shift + f).

Project-wide search is still a slow piece of crap on edge...

I'd like to see a version of TM released that fixed this problem and used either awk or grep.

How does anyone edit code in an editor that can't split a window? I don't think I'll ever get that.

There's also http://macrabbit.com/espresso/ with is quite expandable and already starting to build a small community. It's at early beginning but it looks interesting.

Expresso looks great!

However, it's more web development oriented, just like Coda.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com