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Germany and Switzerland IT Job Market 12,500 Survey answers, 6,300 Salaries

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Over the past 5 months, we've delved deep into the preferences of jobseekers and salaries in Germany (DE) and Switzerland (CH).

The results of over 6'300 salary data points and 12'500 survey answers are collected in the Transparent IT Job Market Reports.

If you are interested in the findings, you can find direct links below (no paywalls, no gatekeeping, just raw PDFs):

https://static.swissdevjobs.ch/market-reports/IT-Market-Report-2023-SwissDevJobs.pdf

https://static.germantechjobs.de/market-reports/IT-Market-Report-2023-GermanTechJobs.pdf

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Amazing work, but those salary numbers feel off.

Background: I've been a IT hiring manager for 20+ years now, with about 600 hires (and salary negotiations) in total. About 70% gamedev related, and the other 30% classic IT.

I have tracked all those numbers over the last 20 years. They are 50-100% higher across the board; And that is base salary on-hire, without bonuses.

A senior developer for 60K? Show me, and I'll hire 10. Make that 20. On the spot.

Last year I hired a graduate in Bulgaria for 80K/year base(!) salary. Granted, he was the best of his year, and had some nice side projects.

According to your numbers I should not exist. I started my career in the 90s, and never earned below 60K/year.

I suspect something might be off with your sample selection. Or maybe people are just under reporting their numbers. Not saying you are intentionally misleading, but these numbers just don't compute.

So you say 120-160 T€ base salary for good senior developers is normal in Germany? Where’s that, do you have any company names?

I am saying 90K+ for seniors is what I have seen, and 60K+ for juniors. "Normal" is a bit hard to define, and there will always be wide deviations, but the averages, and ranges in that doc just don't match my numbers.

Written offers I got in the last 3 years: M$ - 140K. IBM 120K, 160K & 180K. Amazon 150K Google 80K & 250K (yes, I know :eyeroll:) All their salary bands are public.

A lot of the smaller companies pay extremely well too. And no, not going to give out names, as they are swamped in CVs already.

I am currently at 120K, for 20h per week (2days/3days alternating). Currently hiring for a small startup, and everybody I interviewed asked for 100K+, and that is with shares on top.

In Germany the office of statistics has a really good calculator that's a lot more accurate in my opinion.

https://service.destatis.de/DE/gehaltsvergleich/beruf.html

Those salaries are quite misleading. Might be correct country-wide, but they look quite different in different cities.

There is also a page with the average salary for each city.

Nice

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