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Looks cool! I've been wanting to set up an e-ink display with my HomeAssistant, so I'll be checking this out.

In your "Why FrameOS" post, you have a photo that looks like an e-ink display displaying a HomeAssistant dashboard, and under it you say "However the software side of things was rubbish." What exactly were the issues you had before writing FrameOS? It looks like it's working great in the picture at least!

I'm also curious what this actually means:

> GPT4 Support: Ask your favourite LLM to write and debug FrameOS apps for you.

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The author integrated GPT-4 into the "app builder" that FrameOS has for building custom views, so you can ask GPT to make improvements to the underlying code. See https://frameos.net/blog/gpt4-support

My first thought seeing this was that it validates that new apps from now on will be LLM-integrated from the start. Why not, right? LLMs used right are a great UX-improvement for almost any app.

> My first thought seeing this was that it validates that new apps from now on will be LLM-integrated from the start. Why not, right? LLMs used right are a great UX-improvement for almost any app.

Well, any apps that you can actually build yourself. This excludes the vast majority of them.

Hard to predict the future, but my guess is that most apps will have a natural language input component going forward. Why navigate a million menus or compose complex rulesets by hand when you can describe in natural language what you want the app to do. I'm working on making such use-cases become reality in a tech company, for all our products and apps, and it would be strange if other companies aren't thinking the exact same thing right now.

> Why navigate a million menus or compose complex rulesets by hand when you can describe in natural language what you want the app to do.

I dunno, I don't really have an urge to talk to my computer for most tasks. There's already language built-in to the computer that's just as natural to me as English is.

But regardless, more likely we'll just get something that's "good enough" and we'll be stuck with it regardless of actual demand—that seems to be how industry works.

RE ChatGPT: I think it's a clever joke highlighting that it is a product that often needs no further integration (to make blockchain powered self driving social AI clouds, or whatever sells best on private equity markets these days).

Idk I think it’s real… hopefully a sobering moment for people who think of LLMs as the successors to blockchain, OOP, beanie babies, etc. There is real value here and you don’t need think pieces to see it: it’s already delivering it.

I look forward to seeing this project cited as one of the first frameworks/OSs to offer first party developer assistants.

Oh it's real. When coding an app inside the web editor, you can click a button that effectively sends your code to the GPT4 API, along with some instructions on what it should be. It then displays back the response.

It's really basic, but has already been useful: https://frameos.net/blog/gpt4-support

Unless I've missed what you've said, I've had to deal with blockchain databases, blockchain message busses, they are all real products.

It doesn't mean the value isn't overstated.

Very fair! I guess I have to fall back to the creator (who is biased ofc) saying it’s very useful. Plus doesn’t “a framework that helps you remember it’s syntax” sound more useful than “a public database file that can’t be counterfeited”, just on an immediate personal level?

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