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Comment by dspillett | Hacker News Reader

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> Then do not hide it behind the "people just want to scratch their own itch"

You seem to be latching on to individual sentences in individual posts rather than understanding the thread from my initial post downwards. Start from the top and see if that changes.

Right from the beginning I was walking about people not releasing source for this reason, not releasing with expectations of control – while quoting more of the preceding thread might have made that sentence look less like an attempt to hide as you see it, that would bulk out the thread necessarily IMO (and I'm already being too wordy) given that the context is already readily available nearby (as the thread is hardly a long one).

> > it would be much easier to just not open up.

> Agreed. But like I said: you can not have both ways. If you want to "keep control" and prevent …

No, but the other end of the equation often wants the source irrespective of the project creator not being ready to let go of fuller control just yet (for whatever reason, including wanting to get to a certain point their way to stamp their intended direction on it). And they will nag, and the author will either spend time replying to re-explain their (possibly already well documented) position or get a reputation for not listening which might harm them later.

I don't want to keep this conversation going in circles, but to me it seems like you are trying to explain a behavior (some people do not want to release source before conditions X, Y and Z are met) and I am arguing that the behavior itself is antithetical to FOSS.

From the top of the thread: "it is difficult to take it seriously if you refuse to offer source code or a implementable specification.". If OP has reservations about building it the open, I'd rather hear "I am not going to open it because I want to keep full control over it" then some vague "I will open it after I complete some other stuff".

You mention the concern about "getting a reputation for not listening". To me, this has already happened. The moment I saw "when I realize it can be used by someone, it will be of course be open source", I'm already doubting his ability to collaborate, I already put him in the "does not understand how FOSS work" box and I completely lost interest in the project.

> Frankly, if I publish open sources now, I can't take care of them again. Because there will be no excitement. I say this because I know myself very well.

> When I bring my work to a certain stage, I would like to deliver it to a team that can claim it. However, I want to see how much I can improve my work alone.

Sorry, this is exactly why it seems that you don't understand FOSS.

1) Publishing the code does not mean that it is done. Software development is a continuous effort.

2) There is no "delivering it to a team that can claim it". When (if?) you release your code, you will see the possible outcomes:

- the worst case scenario, someone will find an issue on your design and point to a better alternative and you will be left alone with your project.

- The best case scenario, your work brings some fundamental breakthrough and you will have to spend a good amount of time with people trying to figure it out or asking for assistance on how to make changes or improvements for their use case.

- The most likely scenario, your work will get its 15 minutes of fame, people are going to be taking a look at it, maybe star at Github and then completely leave it up to you to keep working on the project until it satisfies their needs.

Like "everythingctl" said, you will see that few people will take you seriously until you actually show source code or an reproducible specification. But you will also see that is a "required but not sufficient condition" for you to be taken seriously. And while I completely understand the fear of putting yourself out there and the possibility of having your work scrutinized and criticized for things you know need improvement, I think that this mentality is incompatible with the ethos of Open Source development and I wish more people can help you overcome this fear than tried to excuse or defend it.

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