No one there is hurting anyone ... in fact all I see is a lot of people engaged in creating something: a video of their experience. Is it a good video? Maybe, maybe not, but it's their video.
Would I film it if I were there? Maybe? I don't know. I tend not to but I don't begrudge others who do.
Just imagine the end of a movie like "It's a Wonderful life" or some other movie that ends with a group celebration. Now change the ending by imagining everyone whipping out their phones to record the event. You know what I mean?
I don't know. Maybe people who grow up with this are more comfortable with it. Maybe it is a generational thing.
I agree - it's a terrible feeling. I also pick up my phone as a shield sometimes in these situations though I try to avoid it and just "enjoy" the awkwardness.
> when everyone is doing it enmass like that, how can it not change the group dynamic in some way?
I don't see people filming an event the same as being "on their phone". Not in the same way as everybody around a bar table checking WhatsApp, Instagram, Lemmy, whatever...
When I'm filming something, I can still be as present with the people around me as I am when not filming. I have distanced myself from the object of the film but not from my immediate surroundings. I can still sing the songs, talk to the group about the performance, etc.
Note that I also think it's bad when people spend a lot of their time watching a live event through their screens though. It can also be quite annoying for those of us behind them, especially if you're not a tall person, since it becomes even harder to actually see the live performance.
Oh now you're talking!
That's a x100 superpower.
I recently met someone who is about to start a (psych) PhD on "Awkwardness" and I had one of the most interesting conversations in years.
Some people fear embarrassment more than life threatening danger. As one of my favourite philosophers put it, terror management cannot be a plausible theory because "people aren't afraid of dying any more, they're afraid of being seen wearing the wrong trainers".
We should all try to understand "awkwardness" and social pressure more, because I think it's role in widespread manipulation is unrecognised.
There's something very, very powerful about being kinda resistant to awkwardness without being a callous asshole who feels no shame and delights in other people's discomfort.
One insight is that it's highly contagious. and its powerful to be the chain-breaker who can spot it, name it, make a joke or otherwise disrupt it. People really appreciate you for that.
When I am in a group of people who get phomo (that nervous wave of synchronised checking and tapping) I just walk off now. I used to stand there watching them all, but have since realised its me who makes them feel terribly awkward. I don't feel awkward, I feel mildly insulted.. but that's my baggage, so I just politely extricate.
Edit: Someone flagged this entire topic. Since I cannot find a single untoward comment in the threads I assume they just felt awkward about the whole discussion. QED.
> That's a x100 superpower.
Well, it's not like I always succeed at that but I'm trying! :D
It is a good feeling, to bring the instinctive monkey-like (lizard-like?) reaction of pulling up the phone to the foreground of the mind and taking intentional control of it. Even if the decision is to give in, as long as it's with intent, I'm fine with it - and in this case it's usually easy to put it back down.
> being kinda resistant to awkwardness without being a callous asshole who feels no shame and delights in other people's discomfort.
I do that to friends. Mostly on purpose. To be fair though, only to the friends with whom I'm intimate enough that I know they would do the same to me and it's out of love both ways. :)
> I just walk off now. I used to stand there watching them all, but have since realised its me who makes them feel terribly awkward.
I do that some times. That's not always an option in the example of the bar table with friends (or co-workers, etc). In any case, my experience is that the people who get inside their phones in this way are usually so oblivious to their surroundings that it doesn't matter. In these cases I try to just casually observe and learn whatever I can from the situation.
> I don't feel awkward, I feel mildly insulted
I used to feel that way too. I still do sometimes. Over the years though, I've been learning to get better at changing the way I reactively feel to situations based on what I know - in this case, that them being on their phones is not because of me (am I boring them? am I overly awkward and making them feel that way? am I ...?) but rather because they _need_ their phone fix. Note that I don't feel pity either. I don't think people should stop using their phones. I do wish they did so with more intent and less due to sheer habit.
Honestly, I don't care what people do, but some should try putting down the camera and enjoying the moment for a change and see if it changes their way of viewing things.
So, instead I get candid photos of my kids and wife in the places we visit. I have yet to feel the need to lookup a photo of a landscape.
You’re in the Louvre, you’re in front of the Mona Lisa. It’s an amazing painting and it’s right there. And the person next to you is playing their gameboy.
It’s not about shaming them. It’s feeling regret that they are wasting this opportunity and missing something amazing.
Or I’m at breakfast with the most beautiful woman in the world and instead I don’t know she’s there and scroll through hacker news. I wouldn’t expect a person next to me to shame me for it, but I would expect them to recognize me wasting this opportunity.
In my examples, there could be many reasons why people would miss the beautiful thing for the banal. But in photos like this, there are 1000s missing the actual experience to record something vastly inferior than the experience.
I don’t think it’s shame. I think it’s empathetic regret and an urge to avoid doing this. I think it’s a bad thing for me to do. I want to do it less.
Pity is sometimes described as an "ugly" emotion. It presumes you're in a better position to judge someone else. Getting over pity is a big life step of getting over yourself. Grace and compersion rush into the space left behind. Alexander the Great (probably a super genius) said he admired Diogenes, and that if he wasn't himself - so in touch with his own ambition - he'd like to be Diogenes, a man so in touch with his ecstatic humility.
Anyway with respect to technological enslavement, I think it goes deeper than "pity". I once saw a small child running around with a tablet photographing everything and (probably copying a parent) saying "I have to capture moments". That sent a fucking deep chill down my spine.
The definition isn’t anywhere close to envy.
What are they playing?
If it was "Link's Awakening" or "Gargoyle's Quest", I would understand. Those are works of art.
It’s ok to dislike something and to share my dislike with others.
It’s also ok to point out wrong things toward making things better.
I'm not sure which is more sad really. Folks not "experiencing the moment", folks calling those people sad, or me on the next meta level up judging the people judging the people haha
Let people get their dopamine however they want to get it, internet, lmao