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A big part of why this works so well in German homes is that they have a high thermal mass. Even single family homes are built with concrete floors and plastered over brick walls (brick as in square building block, I think the currently popular form is expanded concrete?).

In these buildings, you can replace all air with outside air at once, and once you close the windows the thermal mass of the building will quickly heat it up again.

New buildings tend to move away from it though, instead using automatic fans for ventilation

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Mechanical mentilation (with fans) is considerably better in many ways.

It allows heat recovery - less heating (or cooling) energy is wasted by proper ventilation.

Ventilation is constant - there is no buildup of CO2, moisture or harmful particles like VOC or viruses.

There is no need for discomfort caused by the shock ventilation when ventilation is properly dimensioned (enough for people in the room).

Is mechanical ventilation referring to air conditioning?

In that case I would disagree, it’s a magnitudes bigger waste of energy and resources and causes illness (at least for me).

No. It usually takes the form of extractors in the most humid locations of the house (kitchen, bathroom, laundry) that are connected to a central unit that vents air to the outside. Fresh air comes in through ventilation grills around the house, normally located above windows by means of the resulting pressure. No air conditioning is involved, or recirculating, though more modern (and much more expensive) units have heat recovery systems and air filters that will also bring fresh air back in.

Mechanical ventilation refers to just using fans. The comment you’re replying to is suggesting that heat recovery ventilators (HRV) be used to transfer heat from the warm exhausted to the incoming outside air via a heat exchanger (or cools incoming outside air in hot climates). It reduces the need for heating or cooling while still getting fresh air into the building.

One way or the other you have to heat up the air again. The main reason this works is because air has very low thermal mass. Something like a thousand times less than typical solid materials. Even a small amount of solid mass is not going to cool down that much in such a short period of time.

I think there is one single factor why it is done and it is more energy efficient in comparison to keeping windows slightly open all the time for constant ventilation.

Rooms are mainly heated by water radiators in Germany. These radiators are most likely under windows to compensate for the radiated cold and draft from the windows that may create discomfort. As the heat moves up then it will create (mainly) closed circulation in the room when the windows are closed.

Now when the windows are open then the heat from the radiators will instead escape from the windows. On top of this the radiators are most likely locally regulated (with thermal valves) and will heat up because of the cold air from the outside while increasing the energy loss even more.

This is the main reason why the heating must be closed during the shock ventilation and why it is less energy efficient to keep the windows slightly open for constant ventilation.

This is of course a compromise between good air quality and energy efficiency and the correct answer is to build a proper mechanical ventilation with an heat exchange.

In modern buildings the heat recovery system in the ventilation transfers the heat from the outgoing warm air to the incoming cold air, which saves a lot of energy. The savings are big especially in colder climates.

(As a bit of trivia, the specific heat capacity of air is pretty close, +- 50%, to common building materials. Explained by the rather low density of air at normal pressure and temperature compared to those.)

>brick as in square building block

Concrete masonry unit, "cinderblock" in North America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_block

the reason being that with ventilation, you can do a heat exchange between incoming and outgoing air.

the structure and thermal mass is similar in new buildings.

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