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High Performance Voxel Engine (2021)

nickmcd.me

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I'm not a professional graphics programmer, but I dabble in it occasionally and hang out in GP communities. It's fascinating to see the wealth of voxel engines being written. Minecraft really had a massive cultural impact on the tech scene. Or maybe it's just that voxels are a particularly good target for various optimization techniques. Interesting either way!

For the author: Any particular reason you don't seem to be using DSA in your OpenGL code? ie glNamedBufferData() and friends. I found it the single thing that transforms OpenGL into something very user-friendly.

Has the definition of voxels changed recently? As far as I know voxels are pixels in 3D space. Minecraft is just a low poly engine based on marching cubes.

Minecraft is just pixels in space. The world is built with a sort of very low resolution voxels. Yes, the 1m x 1m blocks that make up everything are voxels, they only have position (discrete, aligned to the 3D voxel grid) and "colour" (the type/material), and don't have dimensions nor rotation. That is prety much the textbook definition of a voxel. The fact that when rendered they are given texture is a rendering detail that doesn't erase the fact they are voxels.

If you want to use rasterization part of your GPU, you're going to have to eventually convert the voxel data into triangles.

Minecraft is just polygons sure, but it has a "voxely" look, that's what I was getting at.

I think voxel has grown to have two meanings. One is as you describe, another is systems like Minecraft.

As an example, a more modern and higher resolution implementation of this style can be seen in "Teardown"

I'm also thinking Novalogic games and Voxlap: http://advsys.net/ken/voxlap.htm

If you're familiar with pixels, you might be familiar with "pixel art", even though you every image on a screen has pixels

Huh? What about it uses marching cubes?

A showcase of the techniques explained in the article:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFUj53VwYvU

https://douglasdwyer.github.io/octo-release/ (online demo)

Lately I've been addicted to watching (micro) voxel engine videos on youtube. I need to resist my urge to write one (not that I think I would do a particularly good job). I've also found the voxel engine by John Lin to be particularly impressive.

Thank you, OP and everyone else who's commented. This is super helpful to see. It's great to learn about Nick's work specifically and as an introduction to the those working in this field - and to see the other helpful links everyone has posted.

I wrote a library to implement (most of) the Space Groups in the visual programming environment Grasshopper, which is inside 3d modeling software Rhino3d. This was to get architects working with 3d symmetries, not just 2d; and to get architecture students learning the spatial symmetries in more rigorous and complete ways. The scope and aim are completely different than these engines. But I'm hoping to rewrite it into a standalone program soon, so it's very helpful and timely to get this influx of information I hadn't sought out before!

This brought back memories of Atomontage, a voxel engine which seemed to be way ahead of its time 10 years ago, but was never released, and became some kind of cloud platform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J62z_7JaYMw

https://client.atomontage.app/view?m=5C1RGKu4vT67qEBLO4gqh

I'd rather just directly raycast against a nicely compressed hierarchical representation than create horrendous amounts of triangle geometry and rasterise that. The code would be absolutely tiny, and not mostly a bunch of calls into someone else's code.

But, you know, gotta do the OpenGL / DirectX / whatever vanilla API thing... that's what graphics programming is, isn't it...

Would you happen to have a sample / example of this technique? I'd like to explore it.

It's just normal old raycasting through a voxel grid a la Amanatides and Woo: http://www.cse.yorku.ca/~amana/research/grid.pdf https://github.com/cgyurgyik/fast-voxel-traversal-algorithm/...

Casting the rays from the camera will be nice and coherent, plus you probably get much better and easier shadowing using ray casts compared to shadow maps.

How does it handle dynamic scenes? The work by the OP looked like it took an update to the VAO/VBO if the chunk changed. What's the cost of rebuilding the acceleration structure here if the scene is updated?

That's the future but raycasting currently has some major drawbacks... namely that everything looks like a noisy mess when you look around.

Curious if anyone has plotted GPU compute increases against display resolution + update frequency increases? When do the two lines cross?

I'm fairly certain that pixelpoet is referring to direct raycasting, not raytracing (light transport simulations). These aren't noisy.

I got nice and downvoted for it too, serves me right.

The noisy / Monte Carlo one is path tracing (which I've been doing since age 15 or something and commercially for over a decade), and that's indeed not what I meant but I guess all the expert gfxcoders at HN have done the efficiency analysis versus rasterisation.

Meh, I always have to remind myself how bad it is here for gfx stuff, might as well have been discussing cryptocurrency...

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