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I won't use door dash for pizza. I really like that most pizza places have their own drivers. Door dash is too unreliable and loaded with fees.

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I guess you may have to forgo delivery pizza if more chains go this way and realize the entire business is not profitable with higher labor costs and simply stop offering the service entirely.

Maybe we can start to lower the number one killer of Americans.

Worst things could happen than food delivery evaporating due to living wages making it economically unviable.

Worse/worst things could happen than most things, however no wage is surely worse/worst than some wage?

That doesn't follow. Wages are just a sale of a service. If the service costs more to deliver than the wage, then it's better not to sell the service at all.

That doesn't follow? From the POV of the wage recipient / non-recipient, no money is better than some money? Have we slipped through a wormhole into bizarro world & nobody has told me?

if you had diabetes, would you be ok with a fraction of the insulin that you need to survive?

it's unethical/immoral to offer a fraction of a livable wage to desperate people who have no other options.

This $20 minimum was only applies to fast food workers: why do other workers only need a much lower livable wage?

This is confusing to me as well. Why is one industry specifically called out.

Specifically, it only applies to workers employed by fast food restaurants with 60+ locations. This was easier for the legislature to pass, since they could paint it as a battle between big business and little employees.

100% of insulin-dependent diabetics who don’t get enough insulin will die. Most people in unskilled entry-level jobs which pay less than a bureaucrat’s notion of what’s required to survive will not die, at least in the short term. Unskilled entry-level jobs have never really been a viable career, but they do serve a valuable function. Eliminating them by setting the price higher than the value seems like a backward step (e.g. if you’re a teenager or student trying to make a bit of extra cash).

“it's unethical/immoral to offer a fraction of a livable wage to desperate people who have no other options”

The lack of other options or desperation of the applicant are not the responsibility of the individual business making the offer. In a socialised economy, on the other hand, you might have a point.

Most delivery pizza service in CA is not by reataurants subject to the large fast-food chain minimum wage law, because they usually don't meet one or both of the fast-food or large chain [0] requirements.

[0] technically, “national chain”, but its a number-of-restuarants-within-the-US standard, not a breadth of geographic coverage standard.

Nobody should use DoorDash or any other food-delivery service. These scumbags rip off restaurants, going so far as to hijack their online presence by putting up fake phone numbers and posing as the restaurant to take orders.

Go to the restaurant and get your own goddamned food, or learn how to cook. Don't feed these parasites.

DoorDash really seems to be the way tech has brought enshittification to restaurants. I'd love for it to revert soon, but I feel it'll get far worse before it gets any better.

I thought that was Grubhub, Doordash does it as well?

I've heard enough reports about more than one of them that I'm willing to condemn them all without specific examples.

My girlfriend works in restaurant management and has seen the douchebaggery first-hand. Oh, and drivers taking customers' food into the shitter. Yummy.

Are pizza places where you are lower in fees/have free delivery? My local Domino's and Pizza Hut also have delivery fees, making Dashpass cheaper on the fees. The prices in the app are higher of course, but only by a few dollars.

Here in Germany I think we don't even have third party delivery, every food place has it's own drivers with a delivery fee ranging from 0-2€ in my city (~ 500,000 citizens)

You won't notice that it is door dash. You still order through the pizza place but the delivery is done by a door dash driver not their own driver.

You'll notice. I was in New York and wanted to get a good pizza. I called the place my friend recommended to place a delivery order, and it arrived 40 minutes late and cold. To add insult to injury, we didn't get some of the other items we ordered. We called back the pizza place, there was massive confusion, and then finally they said that we'd have to take it up with DoorDash. We had to argue for 10 minutes before they finally got the driver to deliver the rest of our stuff.

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