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> The non-compliance fine(s) (USD) will be assessed for every Sev-0 violation issued as follows:

> Tier 1: $2,000, for phishing, smishing, and social engineering

> Social Engineering refers to the practice of targeting individuals in a way that manipulates individuals to reveal private information like credit card numbers, or social security numbers.

> Tier 2: $1,000, for illegal content (included content must be legal in all 50 states and federally)

> Illegal content includes, but is not limited to, Cannabis, Marijuana, CBD, Illegal Prescriptions, and Solicitation.

> Tier 3: $500, for all other violations including, but not limited to, SHAFT

> Please review the T-Mobile Code of Conduct Section 5.2 for a list of all disallowed content

Section 5.2 mentions, a.o, gambling, payday loans and work from home programs. The code of conduct also discusses opt out, that high opt-out rates will warrant investigation, etc

This is limited to customers using their “bandwidth” service for sending messages en mass. So, I think this is a good change.

(If it weren’t, it would be very bad, as it would mean discussing where one can get an abortion can cost you $1000, because that isn’t legal in all 50 states)

They also don’t mention how they will enforce those rules. Will they read all messages sent through that service?

SHAFT is a handy acronym to help you remember types of content which is either forbidden or subject to special rules.
S: Secually inappropriate content
H: Hate speech or profanity
A: Alcohol
F: Firearms, and depictions or endorsements of violence
T: Tobacco (including vaping), or endorsement of illegal or illicit drugs, including marijuana and cannabis

In addition to the above, the promotion of gambling is not allowed.

https://www.10dlc.org/en/shaft

Edit: Actually the 10dlc.org T-Mobile code-of-conduct links to a 2020 pdf. Somebody should probably tell 'em. =)

This is just like FAANG where they forget to include a major player like Microsoft. (Maybe it was legacy before Satya, but Azure and AI have brought it back to the front.)

FAANG wasn't about size but about things like salary, benefits, and looking good on a resume.

Microsoft is doing better now, but it's employment conditions aren't the same as FAANG (and no where near the luxuries of when it was coined).

Wasn't FAANG specifically about the stock always going straight up?

Amazon didn't look that good on a resume and "we're going to fire you the instant you underperform" Netflix wasn't that great a working environment.

Us this is what I remember as well, FAANG was just short for a collection of specific stocks that performed well...and by that I mean that were regularly hyped and pumped regardless of normal indicators like profit.

A collection of stock that mostly doesn't pay dividends. The exception being Apple.

Amazon was fine on a resume, not quite as prestigious as Google/Apple/Facebook or perhaps Microsoft but it has had pull for the better part of a decade around here.

Amazon’s working conditions are not as good as others not on the list.

Microsoft paid more than Amazon for a long time (amazon only recently hit parity with the other FAANGs), and had FAR better wlb and work culture. Boutique MS (Linkedin) was known for paying extremely good while giving little work. Truly the ideal "rest-and-vest" companies.

I say we throw Amazon out and replace it with Microsoft. We could also throw netflix out, since they're doing pretty bad these days

With MS and FAANG, it’s not so much forgetting as deliberately trying to avoid an unfortunate acronym.

Well Jim Cramer was the one who originally popularized the term FAANG (then FANG)[1], and has since changed the it to MAMAA, which includes Microsoft (and the name change from Facebook to Meta, and Google to Alphabet)[2].

Also Netflix got excluded in the new one because "the digital streaming pioneer’s market capitalization has not kept up with the others."

[1]: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/faang-stocks.asp [2]: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/cramer-new-acronym-to-replac...

nVidia should find a way into this list in all honesty. MANMAA, anyone?

I like 'BigTech' -- it just sidesteps this issue.

> or profanity

So like, if you send a text with a swear word they will fine you?

Rant at T-Mobile customer support? Straight to jail.

Right away.

This is a code of conduct for ad campaigns and other bulk sending users. Not for consumers.

Who decides what's hate speech? I thought SCOTUS ruled that such laws were unconstitutional.

Last time I checked the T mobile ToS is not law.

SHAFT is an actual law no? Or at least not specific to T-Mobile?

Alcohol? What? XD

This actually makes sense. Alcohol regulation is extremely complex due to the prohibition era. I imagine it's a nightmare to try to legally advertise alcohol over a interstate medium like SMS.

This regulational complexity is the same reason why major shippers (FedEx, UPS) generally don't ship alcohol without a special agreement. Spirits, wine, and beer can all be different, by state and even by county. This is why there are special alcohol distributors that specifically deliver and stock alcohol.

This is for mass sending SMS messages onto the T-Mobile network, particularly with what’s called A2P 10DLC. Essentially, sending automated and transactional messages that come from full length phone numbers. Over the past few years T-Mobile specifically and the industry generally have continually worked on tightening restrictions on these. As it stands now, to work with a business like Bandwidth in order to send these kinds of messages, you have to verify your business, and then verify and justify each messaging campaign.

If end users start reporting too many messages that are sent from these numbers as spam, a human will eventually review the reported messages and their campaigns. The most likely way the fine itself will work is that T-Mobile charges Bandwidth (or whomever you’re routing messages through), and they pass on the fine to you.

Edit: typo

The Illegal content part seems highly problematic given how states are fracturing - now the most extreme state dictates how T-Mobile operates nationwide? That sounds bad.

Are there application for Android and iPhone that do E2EE for SMS in the way that OTR does it for IRC and a few other apps? Meaning people don't depend on a server to create/manage keys, its person-to-person and pre-shared secrets could be shared out of band such as pointing the camera to the other persons phone screen or USB or external storage. Google already reads all my text messages, as they do for most people on Android.

I personally would never use the popular platforms like Signal, WhatsApp, etc for my own fundamental and philosophical beliefs but I am probably alone in not trusting them.

Those who want to avoid these fines will simply use a VPN provider. All the others are sacrificial lambs for T-Mobile's profits.

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