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Where did they move? (FL?)

According to latest data from the U.S. Census, Florida ranks #1 in total net migration, which measures the difference between the number of people moving in and the number of people moving out of a state. From July 2021-July 2022, nearly 444,500 people moved to Florida, which compared to the previous year was a gain of 185,000, the largest year-over-year impact of residents moving.

Florida also ranked #1 in domestic migration, #2 in international migration, and #1 with the most people moving in per day at 1,218. Texas followed Florida in both total net migration (349,575) and most people moving in per day (958). Florida’s total population has reached more than 22.2 million and sits third in the nation behind California and Texas, previously surpassing New York.

New York and California, two of the biggest markets to the South and South-Central regions, experienced the largest out migration, followed by Illinois.

https://tampabayedc.com/news/how-many-people-moved-to-florid...

In my anecdotal experience, there is a sizable chunk of people who stayed within a couple of hours drive of the city but moved farther out to save money. Towns up the Hudson Valley, Westchester, "Greater Woodstock", Long Island, Conn/Mass/NJ.

If the only reason you are paying all that rent money for that tiny apartment is so you can take the subway to work, and you can work from Yonkers over Zoom just as well, why not?

The general pattern in a lot of places I've read about is that most people don't move out to the boonies or across the country. They move someplace that's accessible to the city for a weekend or even a day trip.

I haven't moved because I already owned a place in an exurb, but if I had to go into Boston daily as I did for a while, that wouldn't be sustainable but I can go in for a show in the evening (or a customer visit). There are probably a lot of people for whom their housing calculus changes if they don't have to regularly go into a downtown office.

The food, the people, the theater, the music, the buildings, the parks, the museums, the rivers, the beach. The current that’s always pushing you out, which force you to grow or leave. Collectively, “the energy”.

If it’s only an expensive studio apartment that’s keeping one here, I agree, they should save the cash and make room for the rest of us.

But, for many people, a lot of "the energy" comes from a day or two per month.

Mostly. People leaving Florida typically end up in Georgia or the Carolinas.

> For example, most people moving to Florida moved from New York, the fourth largest state in population and a longstanding origin of Florida-bound movers.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/07/04/florida-i...

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/06/state-to-stat...

About twice as many people moved from NYC to CT/PA/NJ as moved to Florida -- which makes sense given that the people moving out are generally poorer than average and long-distance moves are expensive.

And they probably don't want to leave the area. It's difficult to leave a network (familial or professional) behind. I'd love to know how many people who made that move made it to start a family.

Ahh! This would be a cool longitudinal study for the census to follow up with. Asking “Did you move to form a family because where you left was too expensive?” but also observing the revealed preference (did they actually have a kid or kids after moving).

There are a random amount of New Yorkers in my tiny city in N. Georgia. lol. Something is amiss. haha. They seem to fit in well though taking up shooting, four wheelers, and other traditional activities.

When you say New Yorkers, do you mean New York City or elsewhere in the state? All of those activities would be pretty common in New York once you get a couple hours away from the City.

IDK, they sound like "Heyyy, I'm wolkin' here" and they have new york tags and italian surnames. I haven't asked them where specifically they're from. They seem to love it here though. We have 3 families in my neighborhood.

Are these "upstate" New Yorkers or from the city?

I posted this on another comment but

"IDK, they sound like "Heyyy, I'm wolkin' here" and they have new york tags and italian surnames. I haven't asked them where specifically they're from. They seem to love it here though. We have 3 families in my neighborhood."

Everywhere and also depending on the circumstances.

People who could, bought a house in Florida, New Jersey also the Carolinas, some in Texas. Also many people just "went back home", that happens every year since NYC is a popular destination but also grinds people left and right. If you're average middle class and need to have a "normal" job to make a living, NYC is not only unfair but also straight up abusive.

That's why a large group of employed people and business owners also left, not only the unemployed.

I moved from Brooklyn to Miami. Mostly because I had a child IMO NYC is not a good place to raise a kid.

Interesting because we moved our family from Miami to the Chicago suburbs for the same reason.

Why didnt you think Miami was a good place to raise children ? And how is Chicago better?

In general people in Miami are less friendly, cliquish and unreliable compared to other parts of the country. Even other parts of Florida. They’ll show up an hour late and act like they’re doing you a favor by showing up.

The drivers are erratic and irresponsible.

Everything is a scam or hustle of some kind.

The cultural institutions like museums and libraries are extremely poor even compared to mid-tier northeast or midwest cities.

And finally, the public schools are mostly awful and even the universities are a tier below cities of similar size.

I agree w/ all of this, but the public schools in Chicago pretty much suck too.

Yeah CPS is bad but the suburbs around Chicago have some of the best school districts in the country.

What's the big draw with Florida?

Freedom

Weather, taxes, and CoL.

Politics. Everyone I know who moved from NYC to Florida did so because they were sick of the politics, and wanted to live in a red state with NYC-ish amenities. Miami is absolutely that.

For most though, it's about housing cost - those move to Jersey or MAYBE LI. That's a larger group, too.

Your forgot one of the biggest reasons:

Florida has no income tax.

And there isn't a lot of politics in Florida...just leaning in the opposite direction?

yes, these are Republicans leaving

The amount of money you can save moving from NYC to Miami starts to become pretty substantial if you make over 400K, and Miami has basically all of amenities of NYC with less bullshit. Miami is far from perfect obviously, traffic is horrible, the NYC food scene is much better, and there are probably a lot more people with guns.

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